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Post by Joshua Watson on Feb 1, 2012 15:15:19 GMT
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 1, 2012 15:41:20 GMT
Yes, they've all been checked.*
Nigeria proved particularly useful and returned prints of other previously missing episodes. Sierra Leone could have had nearly every missing episode but was unfortunately burnt to the ground in 1999, during the country's civil war.*
*waits to be corrected by one of the heavyweights.
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Post by Joshua Watson on Feb 1, 2012 15:47:21 GMT
Have all the countries said that they were wiped or junked? Or if any of the copies were sold on?
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Post by Greg H on Feb 1, 2012 15:50:04 GMT
The paperwork does not always exist leaving a vague question mark over some things as I understand it. Pick up a copy of Wiped, this will probably answer a lot of your questions and check back here regularly for the latest news
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Post by Gary Robinson on Feb 1, 2012 16:44:42 GMT
Thought it was all Hartnell episodes Sierra Leone had, no Troughton therefore not all the missing episodes.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 1, 2012 17:41:40 GMT
Thought it was all Hartnell episodes Sierra Leone had, no Troughton therefore not all the missing episodes. That would still have been more than acceptable..!
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 1, 2012 18:26:57 GMT
Thought it was all Hartnell episodes Sierra Leone had, no Troughton therefore not all the missing episodes. That would still have been more than acceptable..! Yeah, we could be down to 73 missing episodes right now if we had some good luck concerning Sierra Leone. It is so hard to believe that whatever could have went wrong apparently did go wrong.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 1, 2012 20:32:33 GMT
That would still have been more than acceptable..! Yeah, we could be down to 73 missing episodes right now if we had some good luck concerning Sierra Leone. It is so hard to believe that whatever could have went wrong apparently did go wrong. You mean a civil war that left 50,000 dead? Yeah, that sucked big time. Given the problems happening in that country at the time I doubt a bunch of B&W episodes were high priority. EDIT - Whoops, that sounded nasty. Wasn't my intention, just saying the war wasn't a nice one.
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Post by Greg H on Feb 1, 2012 20:48:54 GMT
Yeah, we could be down to 73 missing episodes right now if we had some good luck concerning Sierra Leone. It is so hard to believe that whatever could have went wrong apparently did go wrong. You mean a civil war that left 50,000 dead? Yeah, that sucked big time. Given the problems happening in that country at the time I doubt a bunch of B&W episodes were high priority. EDIT - Whoops, that sounded nasty. Wasn't my intention, just saying the war wasn't a nice one. Yes, and that is why I am a member of amnesty international etc. This is a missing episodes forum, concerned with missing episodes Hope that clears it up for you
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 1, 2012 23:04:02 GMT
Yeah, we could be down to 73 missing episodes right now if we had some good luck concerning Sierra Leone. It is so hard to believe that whatever could have went wrong apparently did go wrong. You mean a civil war that left 50,000 dead? Yeah, that sucked big time. Given the problems happening in that country at the time I doubt a bunch of B&W episodes were high priority. EDIT - Whoops, that sounded nasty. Wasn't my intention, just saying the war wasn't a nice one. It is not only that, but I wonder what went wrong in the 80s when the BBC contacted all overseas TV stations that bought the program in the past. If they had been told where the episodes were at that point, the BBC could have arranged for them to be returned.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 1, 2012 23:21:17 GMT
It is not only that, but I wonder what went wrong in the 80s when the BBC contacted all overseas TV stations that bought the program in the past. If they had been told where the episodes were at that point, the BBC could have arranged for them to be returned. I'm not entirely convinced that the BBC did contact "all stations" - according to WIPED, Ian Levine used the (incomplete) list of the 27 countries in The Making of Doctor Who (1972 edn), while others, such as Ascension Island, were named elsewhere. It's odd that Ascension Island, who coughed up The Sea Devils in b/w, even had that, because there wasn't (still isn't?) a TV station on the island! I get the impression that only a small number of foreign stations were contacted in the mid 1980s, and only some of those responded; there was probably a handful that never were contacted at all. BTW, Sierra Leone is named in The Making of, so chances are they were contacted. Of course, many countries had/have more than one TV station - so the question is, did the BBC contact all of them, and the rights ones?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 2, 2012 0:54:03 GMT
Of course, many countries had/have more than one TV station - so the question is, did the BBC contact all of them, and the rights ones? I find it funny that they'd sell Doctor Who to Station A then a decade later ask Station B if they can have their films back. Surely they would know...
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 2, 2012 1:58:24 GMT
Of course, many countries had/have more than one TV station - so the question is, did the BBC contact all of them, and the rights ones? I find it funny that they'd sell Doctor Who to Station A then a decade later ask Station B if they can have their films back. Surely they would know... All the surviving paperwork relating to foreign sales (at least that I've seen) only states a sale being made to a country. The name of the entity is rarely if ever given. Sure, at the time of the original sale there shoulda/coulda/woulda/oughta have been paperwork with contact addresses of the actual broadcaster/s, but by 1984, when the "big ask" happened, that paperwork might not have been available. And even if the paperwork naming them did survive, by 1984 some of them might not still have existed, having closed own, merged, changed name, been taken over by militant dictators... When Levine phoned 'Iran' and got the infamous "What in the name of Allah are you talking about?" response, there were three TV stations that he could have phoned. But which one did he ring? From the response he got, it sounds like he phoned the wrong one!
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Post by George D on Feb 2, 2012 3:21:03 GMT
As the old saying goes.. we grow too soon old.. too late smart.
I would really be happy if some archecological work was possible in sierra leone. but i dont have the data to know if thats possible.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 2, 2012 7:00:44 GMT
I find it funny that they'd sell Doctor Who to Station A then a decade later ask Station B if they can have their films back. Surely they would know... All the surviving paperwork relating to foreign sales (at least that I've seen) only states a sale being made to a country. The name of the entity is rarely if ever given. Sure, at the time of the original sale there shoulda/coulda/woulda/oughta have been paperwork with contact addresses of the actual broadcaster/s, but by 1984, when the "big ask" happened, that paperwork might not have been available. Paul Vanezis, Phil Morris, and the rest of the team should be nominated for sainthood for undertaking this extremely difficult task. Trying to locate missing Doctor Who episodes in foreign countries when written records do not provide any logistical information is like attempting to solve a murder case when the evidence has been contaminated before it could be properly collected and processed. I would like to once again thank Paul and Phil for what they have been doing for so many months to dig up clues that might lead them to lost material. I'm sure that many fans didn't know the task would be under such trying circumstances. I would have pulled out all my hair if I had to turn several countries in Africa upside down and found no episodes.
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