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Post by John Andersen on Feb 5, 2012 21:34:31 GMT
The sales to Sierra Leone are all listed in Wiped! I meant what they MIGHT have actually been STILL holding of episodes broadcast - a paper trail of what prints were bicycled from Sierra Leone to another broadcaster (even halfway around the world) or what might not have left the country - either held or destroyed at the end of the contract. Doesn't matter what they aired, but what was left behind there in the chain. Are there records that have been recovered that show without a doubt they held missing DOCTOR WHO episodes until the 1990's? Just saying there was an archive/film-store in the country that MIGHT have held television programs from the BBC dating back to the 1960's that was destroyed in the Civil War is a bit different than saying (You) have found records that show they held a number of DOCTOR WHO episodes on 16mm,including missing episodes. You would have to ask Paul Vanezis and his team that question for something more definite. Paul has over twenty-five years experience in searching for and locating lost material. In all the years I have seen him post here and at the old Restoration Team Forum, he has always displayed professionalism and integrity in his line of work. I don't think he would publicly come to that conclusion without having something concrete to base his statement on. His reputation and credibility would take a hit if he went around making wild statements that were known to be untrue. As for records, Jon Preddle has seen actual BBC records for foreign sales, and the BBC paperwork supposedly has some faults. He noticed that the paperwork didn't have the information as to which TV stations in those countries purchased the material. If the BBC records were that incomplete, Paul and his team had to basically start the investigation from scratch in those countries. Whatever paperwork he found in Africa were probably the only records that would lead him to the TV stations and the archives in those countries. As the search continues to other continents, they will probably follow a similar strategy. If you are looking for proof with absolutely no doubt whatsoever, then chances are that you will never be satisfied. Even criminal courts of law have standards of proof that aren't that high to get a conviction.
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Post by John Wall on Feb 5, 2012 22:43:30 GMT
One day we'll get the full story of the various foreign archives that have been investigated. I have a lot of confidence in those who devote a lot of time and effort to looking for missing episodes - and not just Dr Who. Paul has stated (paraphrasing) that he thinks Africa has now largely been checked and, also, that he thinks collectors are possibly the best source for future recoveries. Considering that the two most recent recoveries came from a collector who didn't know they were missing, I think he could be right.
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Post by dennywilson on Feb 8, 2012 5:54:05 GMT
If you are looking for proof with absolutely no doubt whatsoever, then chances are that you will never be satisfied. Even criminal courts of law have standards of proof that aren't that high to get a conviction. Well, right now all we know is that the POSSIBLE location of episodes was destroyed in the Civil War and the implication that material MIGHT have still been there (More than Doctor Who!) - and people are taking it to mean there WAS material there as late as the 1990's and was destroyed. Everybody is getting bent out of shape without a clarification of the facts.
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Post by George D on Feb 8, 2012 6:52:34 GMT
i agree that in time, we'll learn more. That being said, I think paul has said that while he is doubtful about africa, there are still some leads. Hopefully something does materialize but if it doesnt and probability is the same, it could be another 5-8 years til we're suprised again
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 8, 2012 7:29:25 GMT
This goes back also to Nigeria and the four Season 6 Troughton stories they aired in 1974 - they were the "last stop" for The Abominable Snowmen, The Enemy of the World, The Web of Fear and The Wheel in Space Those are season 5 stories. Or did I misread your post?
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 8, 2012 19:09:12 GMT
Everybody is getting bent out of shape without a clarification of the facts. From my experience with some Doctor Who fans over the last thirty years, lost Doctor Who episodes can be a highly emotional and a very frustrating subject. For instance, take that Web of Fear report DWO put out in 2007 that set the Internet ablaze, or other cruel hoaxes that have been perpetrated over the years. Everybody was extremely unhappy with DWO after it was discovered that nothing was found, and they never provided any evidence as to what made them believe their report was true. We also saw how excited and happy people were to see Airlock and episode 2 of The Underwater Menace recovered. The emotion you are seeing from fans right now is bitter disappointment and frustration with the whole situation that has been building up over the years, which is understandable on some levels. The entire series is the story about the Doctor, and it is incomplete. Imagine buying a book and being unable to finish reading it because the author burned the last few chapters of the story. Just let them vent and blow off steam for now. It is not like they are about to begin committing acts of violence against others.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 8, 2012 20:28:12 GMT
Everybody is getting bent out of shape without a clarification of the facts. From my experience with some Doctor Who fans over the last thirty years, lost Doctor Who episodes can be a highly emotional and a very frustrating subject. For instance, take that Web of Fear report DWO put out in 2007 that set the Internet ablaze, or other cruel hoaxes that have been perpetrated over the years. Everybody was extremely unhappy with DWO after it was discovered that nothing was found, and they never provided any evidence as to what made them believe their report was true. We also saw how excited and happy people were to see Airlock and episode 2 of The Underwater Menace recovered. The emotion you are seeing from fans right now is bitter disappointment and frustration with the whole situation that has been building up over the years, which is understandable on some levels. The entire series is the story about the Doctor, and it is incomplete. Imagine buying a book and being unable to finish reading it because the author burned the last few chapters of the story. Just let them vent and blow off steam for now. It is not like they are about to begin committing acts of violence against others. John, Digital Animation they can do it....
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Post by dennywilson on Feb 8, 2012 21:26:41 GMT
This goes back also to Nigeria and the four Season 6 Troughton stories they aired in 1974 - they were the "last stop" for The Abominable Snowmen, The Enemy of the World, The Web of Fear and The Wheel in Space Those are season 5 stories. Or did I misread your post? erf - Typo!
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Post by George D on Feb 9, 2012 3:01:20 GMT
One thing that Im still wondering about was what was on those macra terror videotapes that were on ebay. It was said that they were pulled after the seller got a lot of phone calls, however I havent heard of anyone actually checking them out..
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 9, 2012 3:30:30 GMT
One thing that Im still wondering about was what was on those macra terror videotapes that were on ebay. It was said that they were pulled after the seller got a lot of phone calls, however I havent heard of anyone actually checking them out.. The seller's ID was callumhous. He had over 237 deals on that site and all were ranked as being positive. He supposedly pulled the auction when people wanted to know for certain what was on those tapes. He stated that he was going to check and he never mentioned to anybody what he really found. People have tried to contact him about those tapes after the auction ended, but he didn't reply.
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