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Post by adriane17 on Dec 13, 2011 18:45:45 GMT
The recovery of Galaxy Four 3 and The Underwater Menace 2 is going to open a floodgate of speculation as to what else might be out there and where.
Personally I think there is very little and at a strike rate of eight "lost" (and only ten if the two duplicates of already held episodes are included) episodes since 1991 we are in for a long wait.
That said someone commenting on The Guardian's website said that their "ex brother-in-law" told them that they had seen a pile of tapes labelled "Dr Who" at the HQ of Sierra Leonean TV about twenty years ago. That sounds dubious to say the least and given the difficult politics in that country it seems unlikely anyone would have bothered to ensure the cans weren't junked but COULD there be any truth to it?
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Post by n cornwall on Dec 13, 2011 18:50:37 GMT
You might want to take a look at page 11 of the Africa thread (top of page), about halfway down.
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Post by George D on Dec 16, 2011 12:48:52 GMT
Jan and Feb appear to be the months with the least precipitation there
Assuming the motherload of missing hartnells are under there I am willing to donate if a project to unearth them occursif we get 10 people donating 1000, that's 10000 Granted there is a good chance that there are only damaged films,yet i believe there is a also a chance that the cans as well as the rubble could have protected them
We missed out before 1999. Lets explore this throughly so we know for sure
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 16, 2011 14:20:02 GMT
We missed out before 1999. Lets explore this throughly so we know for sure Guys, seriously, there is nothing there anymore. If we had the slightest inkling there was we would go personally. There are no missing DW films in Sierra Leone. The station was shelled and burned down. Any film was destroyed entirely. I admire your enthusiasm for the search, particularly after the latest recoveries, but energies need to be expended elsewhere. Regards, Paul
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Post by VERNON LEE ROBERTS on Dec 16, 2011 23:51:03 GMT
Paul had a question there was rumor about Thailand had a paper trail there for Marco polo and the two missing episodes of the reign of terror can shead any light on this
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 15, 2012 7:04:09 GMT
If the episodes still existed in the 80's and 90's, I suppose it's possible that VHS viewing copies were made by the TV archive, and could still be in Sierra Leone.
Also it's not unheard of for African countries to ignore licensing restrictions, and re-broadcast material long after the licence has expired (as I think happened in Nigeria?) So it's just possible the episodes were broadcast in the 80's and 90's, in which case they could've been recorded (by viewers) onto VHS or Betamax.
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Post by Andrew Parker on Feb 15, 2012 11:28:33 GMT
It's a shame (not a tragedy though in comparison to the civil war going on in the country.) Reading Wiped they had pretty much all the Hartnell stories. If it had a chance to be explored then we could have full set of Hartnell complete stories barring Master-plan and Tenth Planet.
Oh well...
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 15, 2012 11:44:35 GMT
If the episodes still existed in the 80's and 90's, I suppose it's possible that VHS viewing copies were made by the TV archive, and could still be in Sierra Leone. Also it's not unheard of for African countries to ignore licensing restrictions, and re-broadcast material long after the licence has expired (as I think happened in Nigeria?) So it's just possible the episodes were broadcast in the 80's and 90's, in which case they could've been recorded (by viewers) onto VHS or Betamax. I'd be frankly astonished if this turn of events could be happen. Surely there'd be a record of these episodes being transmitted in the 80's and 90's somewhere? A Nigerian equivilent of the Radio Times per chance?!
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Post by alexwdmn on Feb 15, 2012 12:30:32 GMT
Reading Wiped they had pretty much all the Hartnell stories. If it had a chance to be explored then we could have full set of Hartnell complete stories barring Master-plan and Tenth Planet. Haven't seen the article in Wiped. I know this was the last African country to broadcast those Hartnell stories; but how do we know for sure they were not destroyed by the broadcaster or returned to the BBC? Even if they were retained in their film archive, how do we know they kept all the episodes, and not just one or two of them?
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 15, 2012 13:00:20 GMT
Reading Wiped they had pretty much all the Hartnell stories. If it had a chance to be explored then we could have full set of Hartnell complete stories barring Master-plan and Tenth Planet. Haven't seen the article in Wiped. I know this was the last African country to broadcast those Hartnell stories; but how do we know for sure they were not destroyed by the broadcaster or returned to the BBC? Even if they were retained in their film archive, how do we know they kept all the episodes, and not just one or two of them? Did they only have one archive? Or is there a possibility it could have got lost in some other department?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 15, 2012 17:13:26 GMT
Surely there'd be a record of these episodes being transmitted in the 80's and 90's somewhere? A Nigerian equivilent of the Radio Times per chance?! When I researched the airdates in Sierra Leone for BroaDWcast, the only newspaper that had TV listings in it stopped publishing them after 1971. As for Nigeria, there would be a separate tv guide for each region, if at all. The newspapers there pretty much had all the regional tv listings covered. If such guides exist, they are not available at any of the international newpaper archives that are readily accessible.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 15, 2012 20:19:20 GMT
I really must get a copy of Wiped. Feel so in the dark about stuff these days.
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Post by George D on Feb 16, 2012 4:24:09 GMT
wiped is an excellent book and highly recommended. Very sad story though as it goes into how each episode print is wiped... a true horror story.
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Post by felixdembinski on Mar 3, 2012 12:45:13 GMT
According to BroaDWcast, the missing stories;
Galaxy 4 The Myth Makers The Massacre The Celestial Toymaker The Savages
still existed in the film archive before it was destroyed sometime between 1991 and 2002. The existing stories, The Ark and The Gunfighters were held there too.
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Post by Rob Moss on Mar 3, 2012 13:25:32 GMT
What hasn't been made clear is how it is known that these prints were definitely still there in the 90s, as opposed to just being on an out of date list which might not have recorded the fact that they were junked in the mid-70s.
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