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Post by VERNON LEE ROBERTS on Dec 10, 2011 6:25:56 GMT
but remember the old saying you draw more flies with honey than vinegar
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Post by LanceM on Dec 10, 2011 6:28:19 GMT
Yeah, But you might end up getting your hand caught in the cookie jar! ;D
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Post by VERNON LEE ROBERTS on Dec 10, 2011 7:20:21 GMT
but sometimes when you put your hand in the cookie jar its not always empty
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Post by Dave Green on Dec 10, 2011 7:56:09 GMT
What’s so frustrating is that we all want the same thing. I agree that the chances of more recoveries are very slim, however surely it’s better to stay optimistic. Thanks to the excellent work from Paul and many others, we already have material in the archive which shouldn’t exist today. I think it’s great that we’re putting ideas (new and old) on the table in the view that hopefully one of them might provide a theory that Paul/others can use to provide more recoveries. Having just finished reading Richard Molesworth excellent book “Wiped” (thanks Richard – superb job!), I too have some wild theories. I’ve been trying not to post some of them as I am an amateur and I know how some of our views/opinions can very most frustrating for the people who run this forum. Positivity and optimism is always better than negativity! Re: my opinions, having read Wiped, it strikes me that the TIE distribution countries may have not been fully investigated. As with most of you I would love a Troughton to turn up and Gibraltar seems like a good place to start. Has Gibraltar been fully explored and has anything been done to somehow check TIE’s records? One last annoying theory , with the sheer number of countries that held in their hands a copy of Marco Polo (albeit probably the same copy for a lot of them), surely it’s not unreasonable to expect Marco Polo to still exist somewhere in the world.
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Post by George D on Dec 10, 2011 17:28:19 GMT
its surprising with the level of completeness of the first season and the amount of stations showing marco polo that not one episode has surfaced
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 10, 2011 18:19:41 GMT
Has Gibraltar been fully explored Gibraltar has indeed been checked and as it's officially part of the UK, it has always been quite open and helpful.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 10, 2011 20:53:06 GMT
its surprising with the level of completeness of the first season and the amount of stations showing marco polo that not one episode has surfaced Not really. 34 countries started the series with serial A. 29 of those 34 stuck with it as far as Serial L (The Rescue). Of those, only 23 got Marco, and 19 of those 23 got Reign of Terror. Ergo, those stories that do survive today do so because their sales potential was greater (and therefore they kept the negatives), whereas Marco and Reign (and the other historicals) don't because their sales potential was limited (so the negs weren't retained). The 4 prints of Reign that do exist only do so due to chance, not by design. No prints of Marco exist cos they were destroyed. Likewise, few actual broadcast prints from the 1960s of Serials A to L survive. But it doesn't matter since the negs do.
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Post by David Robinson on Dec 11, 2011 13:30:03 GMT
Its amazing how stories like "The Web Planet", which in my view is mind numbingly boring, survive in their entirity and other stuff much better is non existant!
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Post by Anthony Harvison on Dec 11, 2011 16:03:41 GMT
Well, it has long been said that the junking was rather random. I think this goes for all shows where some episodes survive and others don't.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 11, 2011 20:12:02 GMT
Well, it has long been said that the junking was rather random. I think this goes for all shows where some episodes survive and others don't. It's not the junking that was random, but the recovery. For instance, take a scenario in which the BBC clears programmes for junking, some several dozen films. An order is put in at 4.30pm one Friday afternoon. Johnny, who's in charge of the junkings, picks up half the films and takes them to the skip as per usual. At 5 o'clock knock-off time, he goes home, leaving the rest of the films to be disposed of on Monday. Fred walks passed the skip on Saturday, spies the pile of films, and grabs three of them at random. The skip gets collected and taken to a landfill site. None of the other films are rescued. Come Monday, Johnny disposes of the rest of the films in a new skip. The films are eventually taken to a different landfill. George, who is also at the landfill, spies the films, and grabs as many as he can.... Mike, also at the landfill, sees some but looking at the titles takes just one. Under that admittedly extreme scenario, it's no wonder that it's often only single episodes that are found and recovered from private hands.
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Post by Dave Green on Dec 13, 2011 6:27:02 GMT
Has Gibraltar been fully explored Gibraltar has indeed been checked and as it's officially part of the UK, it has always been quite open and helpful. Thanks Richard, that’s another theory out of the window. What about TIE distribution? Can anything be done to see what happened to their prints?
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Post by Alan Turrell on Dec 13, 2011 13:33:07 GMT
I wonder if it's worth trying to find these landfill sites and do a bit of digging . ;D
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Post by Steven Sigel on Dec 13, 2011 21:55:51 GMT
I wonder if it's worth trying to find these landfill sites and do a bit of digging . ;D No because even if you found them, the images on the film would have completely disintegrated by now. Film does not like moisture -- to give you an idea, I had a leak that dripped water onto a couple of reels of film, for maybe an hour or two before I got to it --- films were ruined... And, wouldn't you know, one of them was my print of Power of the Daleks (5)... (o.k., kidding about that last part)....
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Post by Jim Exley on Dec 13, 2011 22:25:11 GMT
Without wishing to drive it too far OT, how much exposure to water can they stand? I used to do a bit of reversal processing of 8mm a while back and over an hour wet obviously didn't do any harm. Is it getting water in between tightly wound layers that especially causes the damage? Cheers Jim
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Post by Alan Grover on Dec 14, 2011 4:36:30 GMT
Ireland only played Pertwee stories. They bought them in the nineties, too, I think. Wouldn't that mean that they wouldn't have anything?
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