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Post by mkeown on Oct 25, 2011 9:35:16 GMT
Reading the BroaDWcast site re: the Carribean, it is suggested that episodes of Doctor Who were bicyled around the Carribean islands- but it is an assumption. Is this known for definate? Each Carribean country is documented as showing Doctor Who to varying degrees, therefore not all the episodes were shared all the time. Bermuda broadcast the least amount of episodes.
Is there a chance that each country was sent its own prints (I understand it was expensive), or even that there were two sets being swapped around?
Therefore, rather that assuming that one set of prints finished up in Barbados, would it be worth checking the other Carribean countries too? I see that Bermuda broadcast 'Marco Polo'.
Have the TV stations in Bermuda ever been contacted? Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but no stone left un-turned and all that.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 25, 2011 21:11:44 GMT
Reading the BroaDWcast site re: the Carribean, it is suggested that episodes of Doctor Who were bicyled around the Carribean islands- but it is an assumption. Is this known for definate? Each Carribean country is documented as showing Doctor Who to varying degrees, therefore not all the episodes were shared all the time. Bermuda broadcast the least amount of episodes. Is there a chance that each country was sent its own prints (I understand it was expensive), or even that there were two sets being swapped around? Therefore, rather that assuming that one set of prints finished up in Barbados, would it be worth checking the other Carribean countries too? I see that Bermuda broadcast 'Marco Polo'. Have the TV stations in Bermuda ever been contacted? Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but no stone left un-turned and all that. An assumption yes, but an educated one at that! Since the Caribbean countries were all Commonwealth, they would have been offered the series at the same time. Trinidad and Bermuda were handled by Television International Enterprises, who may have had their own set of prints to distribute to their clients. If Trinidad sent their prints of the first five stories to Bermuda, what happened to their prints of the other stories? Probably sent to Jamaica, who then had to wait a few months for Bermuda to finish with the first five stories! There are so many possible combinations of distribution that we'd probably never work out which was the actual one. (We'd need to know exactly how many prints there were in circulation to crack the paths of distribution.) Take a look at the BroaDWcast page for Tomb of the Cybermen for an example of how distribution may have worked between four countries.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 25, 2011 21:37:57 GMT
You got me thinking, so I had a crack at trying to work this out. The best I can come up with is a MINIMUM of two sets of prints of Unearthly Child to Time Meddler:
1) Trinidad receives Child to Rescue (set 1) 1) Trinidad sends Child to Marco to Bermuda 1) Trinidad sends Keys to Rescue to Barbados 2) Jamaica receives Child to Rescue (set 2) plus Romans (set 1) 1) Bermuda sends Child to Marco to Barbados 2) Barbados receives Romans (set 2) plus Web Planet to Meddler (set 1) 2) Barbados sends Web Planet to Meddler to Jamaica
In this example, there are two full sets of eps comprised of Child to Romans, and just one set comprised of Web Planet to Time Meddler. Jon
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 8, 2011 2:24:54 GMT
What about Singapore, Faroe Islands, South Georgia, Belize, Fiji, Iceland, Guyana or the Virgin Islands? Or even Tanzania and Kenya? I can keep going on ~ there are so many places to look:)
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 8, 2011 3:01:15 GMT
What about Singapore, Faroe Islands, South Georgia, Belize, Fiji, Iceland, Guyana or the Virgin Islands? Or even Tanzania and Kenya? I can keep going on ~ there are so many places to look:) From what surviving BBC documentation there is, we've pretty much identified all the countries where now-missing material screened. Of those countries you named (did you randomly throw some pins into an atlas...?) only two did.
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Post by simon1970 on Dec 8, 2011 23:56:00 GMT
Maybe we're searching too far afield...has anyone tried ireland?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 9, 2011 1:25:15 GMT
Maybe we're searching too far afield...has anyone tried ireland? I forgot the Falklands. Here' the thing, yes we know where the eps were screened but not the last place they could be now.
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 9, 2011 1:58:26 GMT
Maybe we're searching too far afield...has anyone tried ireland? I forgot the Falklands. Here' the thing, yes we know where the eps were screened but not the last place they could be now. They could be absolutely anywhere by now. Where do you suggest "they" start?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 9, 2011 2:04:30 GMT
I forgot the Falklands. Here' the thing, yes we know where the eps were screened but not the last place they could be now. They could be absolutely anywhere by now. Where do you suggest "they" start? I can leave that to actual searchers ~ but no place can be discarded even if "officially" they were not supposed to be there.
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 9, 2011 4:39:46 GMT
They could be absolutely anywhere by now. Where do you suggest "they" start? I can leave that to actual searchers ~ but no place can be discarded even if "officially" they were not supposed to be there. Good thinking. While we're thinking about it, could you just pop up to your loft and have quick rummage? You never know...
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Post by VERNON LEE ROBERTS on Dec 9, 2011 7:32:34 GMT
maybe thats why some people are not willing to help the smart attitudes
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Post by Anthony Harvison on Dec 9, 2011 7:46:19 GMT
Sadly, some people find the need to make clever-dick comments when others are just making suggestions, I'm not sure that even all the stations that aired Doctor Who have been properly checked. In addition, those stations would have had multiple buildings, separate storage facilities etc. While unlikely, it's not IMPOSSIBLE that a print could be in some neglected storage space in Bermuda or Zambia or....
And as others have stated many times, our knowledge today of where Who was screened comes only from surviving forms etc. Unless someone working in Enterprises c1963-1972 comes forward and states unambiguously that "x country never bought y serial", there is still a slim chance.
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Dec 9, 2011 16:57:32 GMT
I'm sorry, but the totallity of the BBC's overseas DW sales in the 60s and 70s in known and quantified. This information has come directly from the relevant BBC rights departments directly in recent years. It's no longer a matter of guesswork and conjecture (well, nearly almost...). We know who had what and when they had it.
Regards,
Richard
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Post by simon1970 on Dec 10, 2011 0:37:34 GMT
What about episodes that may exist in private hands.What these countries need is some sort of missing believed wiped campaign.Has any tv station in Ireland ever done this?
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 10, 2011 3:20:58 GMT
maybe thats why some people are not willing to help the smart attitudes Sadly, some people find the need to make clever-dick comments when others are just making suggestions, I'm not sure that even all the stations that aired Doctor Who have been properly checked. In addition, those stations would have had multiple buildings, separate storage facilities etc. While unlikely, it's not IMPOSSIBLE that a print could be in some neglected storage space in Bermuda or Zambia or.... And as others have stated many times, our knowledge today of where Who was screened comes only from surviving forms etc. Unless someone working in Enterprises c1963-1972 comes forward and states unambiguously that "x country never bought y serial", there is still a slim chance. Regular reading of these boards would inform those posting such questions that there are presently people looking in just those locations. Also, Richard's Molesworth and Bignall and Paul Vanezis (among others) have taken pains to point out likelihoods of discovery/non-existance but others seemingly refuse to listen. Little wonder that some of us have become tired and now resort to "smart-arsed" comments.
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