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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 1, 2011 14:52:49 GMT
Hello, sorry to start another thread here, especially one that is not directly related to missing episodes, but I felt I needed to just say something, and the thread in question appears to now be locked.....
Recently, someone who is most likely another false name of Darren Gregory posted a link where missing Dr Who is for sale. After, an administrator pointed out how transparent this was, I remarked that the sad thing is that should a genuine lead turn up, some people may very well confuse that for another feeble attempt at humour by Darren Gregory.
A new poster called "claypole" then posted something to the effect that I thought that the "space pirates" lead could be genuine, and that people who criticized this post were in error. That is NOT what I meant at all. In fact, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if "betarecons" and "claypole" were the same person. What i was upset about was that it was precisely posts like "betarecon" 's "space pirates" post that made the possibility of a real find being treated with scepticism.
"claypole" also stated that he had had a lead on "Tom of the Cybermen" in 1991, but didn't have the money for the prints. And, hey presto!, the following year that lead turned out to be genuine as they were returned......from Hong Kong?!
In short, if anyone thought I was endorsing that "space pirates" post and anything similar, I wasn't. I was upset that it is precisely this sort of silliness that may one day lead people to NOT follow up on a genuine lead due to Darren Gregory Crying Wolf one too many times.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 1, 2011 17:19:01 GMT
In short, if anyone thought I was endorsing that "space pirates" post and anything similar, I wasn't. I was upset that it is precisely this sort of silliness that may one day lead people to NOT follow up on a genuine lead due to Darren Gregory Crying Wolf one too many times. Hi Simon, I think we all got what you were getting at. Because we treat everything with scepticism, things could be missed. We may not follow up a lead because on the face of it, it has the hallmarks of a Gregory hoax. Richard Molesworth pointed out in his book that the law of diminishing returns applies and he's right. But there will always be unknown Doctor Who prints out there and if we're lucky, some may be missing ones. Every lead and rumour does need to be looked into and we do exactly that (and we did contact the 'seller'; the episodes were never in his possession). It's probably easier to post this kind of thing directly to me although in this case it seems the poster was either DG or one of his cohorts...or possibly someone with an axe to grind with him. Regardless, it doesn't help the situation at all. Paul
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Post by Simon Broad on Jun 1, 2011 17:41:01 GMT
Hi there, This hoax is defently Darren because if you look at this youtube video and look at the comments below your spot darrens mobile number and if you look at the mobile number on the film reels for sale site the number is the same. www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=uk&v=nhmDtETW2kUSimon
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jun 1, 2011 17:49:31 GMT
Despite all the hoaxes, we should all be assured that the Restoration Team indeed faithfully follows up on these leads. They are not overlooked. That's why I posted "Good luck Restoration Team!" We hear rather quickly when the lead proves to be a dead end and we also hear when an episode is (once in a blue moon) actually recovered.
It is amazing that DG doesn't seem to realize that we are no longer likely to jump up and down with excitement shouting "Space Pirates 5! Space Pirates 5!" The most likely scenario with such postings is a hoax, the second most likely scenario is some sort of honest mistake (such as people who mix up hearing that someone has a recon of an episode with having a film of the missing original), and the least likely scenario is that there is indeed a real film print of a missing episode. We will only jump up and down with excitement shouting "Space Pirates 5! Space Pirates 5!" when the Restoration Team announces its recovery (if any additional episode of Space Pirates, of all the missing stories, would indeed prompt quite that level of excitement, though it would certainly be most welcome in any case).
Apparently, it is enough for DG just to get a call from the Restoration Team to satisfy his really pathetic need for attention. Fire fighters and police have to deal with fools who waste everyone's time with false alarms too. Aesop (c. 620-564 BC) wrote 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf,' so this pathology has been part of the human condition for a long time.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 1, 2011 19:38:29 GMT
Hi there, This hoax is defently Darren because if you look at this youtube video and look at the comments below your spot darrens mobile number and if you look at the mobile number on the film reels for sale site the number is the same. www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=uk&v=nhmDtETW2kUSimon It's often instructive to google a 'phone number - I did it with the number on the advert and up came "blackpoolhoaxer"......
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Post by Greg H on Jun 1, 2011 19:58:15 GMT
Theres not a lot of point in members here replying to threads started by DG and similar, it only feeds their weird attention seeking. The mods will notice any threads started here and will respond to them appropriately in a timely manner. Best bet is just not to post in the threads that Delusional Gimlet starts and let the mods and RT deal with it without giving the cretin any additional attention. If there is ever a grain of truth in 'the guy down the chip shop reckons hes got 35mm video tapes of the web of fear episode 8', then we will hear about it pretty soon I reckon Just my tuppence worth.
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Post by Kieron Toner on Jun 1, 2011 22:29:49 GMT
Hello,
First of all, let me assure you all I am not DG. If you look back you'll see I was here some years ago so I'm not, technically, a new member.
Simon, I never intended to suggest that you might be endorsing the contents of the post you refer to. Please accept my apologies. I've clearly misunderstood. What I was trying to say was that genuine leads might get missed via hoaxing but also the way newbies often get treated. If you look back, one of my posts some years ago was about the Power of the Daleks in Ghana in 1986. This prompted a number of 'eyes to heaven, loud sigh, oh my god responses'. Why would one bother to post if that is the response?
As for Tomb in 1991, this is true. I used to buy pirate Who on VHS from a guy in Bournmouth called, if I recall, Alan Hearn who worked in a place called Wonderworld. He offered me tomb for £100 an episode (i think) and got busted around that time or shortly afterwards. Note here please I've not claimed it existed, or that I had it, or that it was even a lead. I was about 20 at the time, at university and with a part-time job. No way could I have afforded it. All I've said is that this Hearn guy offered to me. It struck me as interesting that DG claimed a similar thing. Perhaps it was knocking around before it was found.
I'm not trying to start a debate here, merely saying what happened to me. I'm not DG and I'm quite happy to change my tag (which dates from when I was here some years ago) to my real name if you all wish. Oh, and I have nothing to do with the original offer of missing who for sale.
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Post by Greg H on Jun 1, 2011 23:34:52 GMT
Actually, thats quite good! Joined: May 2011 I like the cut of your jib. Pull up a seat and tell me more.
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Post by Kieron Toner on Jun 1, 2011 23:55:46 GMT
OK, if you click on my username on the left you'll see my earlier posts from 2005. That's a start?
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Post by LanceM on Jun 2, 2011 4:23:21 GMT
Does seem as if may have a few postings from then.However if you see,were not a member then.And now all of the sudden decide to resurrect,and register now all quick like.You cannot blame posters here claypole for being somewhat skeptical.Just looks as if found an older posting(from when forum rules were a bit different),and used this name when creating your profile here.Then would have that supposed " safety " cry of,I had posted before,but just joined today!Does make you wonder there a bit?
However, Apologize in advance here,if this is not the case.
Cheers,Lance.
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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 2, 2011 8:25:01 GMT
I'm sorry if this has needlessly given extra time to DG. Maybe I should have privated this message. I also thought of the firefighters and police being called out an ridiculous calls.
claypole, if you are genuine, I apologise, but even you must admit, it does seem a bit strange someone appearing very recently, just to post in Darren Gregory threads, and claim that they had a lead on "Tomb" in 1991.
Interestingly, I think it was Ash Stewart who pointed out that when the episode from Daleks Master Plan was recovered, it just came "out of nowhere", ie. there were no people posting claiming they had a lead.
Lastly, kudos to the Restoration Team for their hard work and perseverance, even when faced with another false lead.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Jun 2, 2011 18:17:28 GMT
If any episodes remain, then they probably exist as 1 or 2 copies, if the owner says nothing how could we know, there is only a decent rumour when there is a paper trail or an actual sighting, a tin in an attic is as good as invisible.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 2, 2011 22:14:07 GMT
If any episodes remain, then they probably exist as 1 or 2 copies, if the owner says nothing how could we know, there is only a decent rumour when there is a paper trail or an actual sighting, a tin in an attic is as good as invisible. imho a tin in an attic is as good a place as any to find something missing !
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Post by Kieron Toner on Jun 2, 2011 23:00:42 GMT
Dear all, but LanceM and Simon Smith in particular,
I accept everything you say about how odd my arrival is. All I'd say is I'm genuine - that was me in 2005 and it's me now. I visit the forum often but I don't post as I've nothing really to add. I don't hunt for missing episodes or collect films. I just enjoy the programme and would like to see more of it in the archives.
As for Tomb in 1991, this will be my last observation as I don't wish to upset people. The guy in Wonderworld did offer it to me but I declined. As I've said, I've no idea if he had it then or ever. I had no real reason to doubt him as he was always fair and honest regarding the pirate who he was selling (I know that's kind of a contradiction). He had everything that was extant at the time although the quality was very variable.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 2, 2011 23:17:55 GMT
As for Tomb in 1991... The guy in Wonderworld did offer it to me but I declined. Although DG did say he had this, there has never appeared an alternative version of 'Tomb' prior to the official return or since. I would have expected some kind of pirated version. I did indeed have a broadcast copy of 'Tomb' some 2 months prior to its release, but then I had access to the original transfers. Although there does seem to have been some prior knowledge of Cybermen returning from Hong Kong in early 1991, there is no reason to assume it was any particular story and as we didn't have sales sheets to use as a way of verifying the story we wouldn't have known then which stories were sold to which countries with any degree of certainty. Paul
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