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Post by richardwoods on Feb 5, 2014 19:32:31 GMT
Had a go at the Archive web site, thanks Ian, but struggled to get the links to work, so no joy with finding the article by the guy who wrote about Seven Serpents being available in the late 70s with series 3 for export. Bumping the thread on the off chance that someone somewhere other than Britain remembers watching Seven Serpents and can give some info.
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Post by Steve Jenner on Feb 5, 2014 20:10:05 GMT
Back in 1988, I was at a telefantasy convention at The Grand Hotel in Birmingham. These was an AOW panel, including an appearance by Judy Loe, According to the original schedule for the convention it was to be accompanied by a showing of Seven Serpents, Sulphur And Salt, but late in the day it was replaced with The Beautiful People. I wonder if Thames still listed Serpents as available even that late, and when it couldn't be found there was a rapid change of plans?
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 6, 2014 12:50:48 GMT
Well that would certainly fit with the article. Makes you wonder if it was just a listing error and it had been junked with the other serials?
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Post by Simon Smith on Feb 9, 2014 11:19:42 GMT
This same thread has "fooled" me twice now. :-(
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 9, 2014 13:01:25 GMT
Yeah, perhaps it should be retitled "No Ace of Wands News, but let's keep digging for leads".
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Post by Greg H on Feb 10, 2014 2:10:20 GMT
This same thread has "fooled" me twice now. :-( It has got me several times. I suspect it will again too
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Post by John Green on Feb 10, 2014 9:13:05 GMT
Bump. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_(TV_series) But seriously,folks.Is it the thread-title which is the problem,or the bumping? I think we've all added to a favourite thread some little snippet so that we can regenerate the subject...
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 10, 2014 9:24:58 GMT
If it's the bumping then guilty as charged. Still hoping that bumping the thread gets the attn of someone outside the UK who has some info on any of Season 1 and 2 being shown, particularly SSS&S because of the alleged Thames export availability listing. Bumping the thread did prompt new info about late repeats of the Gnomes of Dulwich in Aus and NZ.
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Post by John Green on Feb 10, 2014 9:41:20 GMT
If it's the bumping then guilty as charged. Still hoping that bumping the thread gets the attn of someone outside the UK who has some info on any of Season 1 and 2 being shown, particularly SSS&S because of the alleged Thames export availability listing. Bumping the thread did prompt new info about late repeats of the Gnomes of Dulwich in Aus and NZ. It can be frustrating when you think there's a likely lead,but for some reason the topic doesn't catch fire. The upside of it is that when people DO get enthusiastic viz William and others on the pop shows,the 'Gnomes of Dulwich',loads of DW...we can start getting results even if it's 'only' more information,rather than footage. The thread-title could do with a tweak either by the O/P or Them Indoors.I chuckle when I think of someone reviving the 2011 thread 'Two Doctor Who episodes found!' re 'Underwater Menace' and 'Galaxy 4'!
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 10, 2014 10:03:36 GMT
Steve Jenner's post here since the bump is good evidence that Thames probably still thought they SSS&S in 1988, and only discovered it had gone walkies at that time. It would be interesting to have the thoughts of someone who worked at Thames around then to give some insight as to how good their record keeping was at the time, (I believe that the records of the wipings are now lost), or is concerned with their current archive holdings. Assuming from the sales listing that it was never officially wiped, if there is any chance the tapes could still exist misfiled in the archive? I am assuming Video tape only here as I have no idea what arrangements Thames made for export copies, assuming any were made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 13:53:18 GMT
Would that 1988 event be the one in the centre of Birmingham, by any chance? If so, I was there myself. I doubt though that Seven Serpents was originally slated to be screened. Timescreen must have already published their article on the show and so it would have been common knowledge that all of the first two series had been junked by then.
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 18, 2014 18:09:08 GMT
LOVE the new thread title!
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 30, 2014 15:10:12 GMT
I seem to recall when this last came up it was Andrew Pixley who used to write for TIMESCREEN that came forward re: 'Seven Serpents'. Previously it was stated in an article for STARBURST that rights for series 1 and 2 of AoW weren't sold. Something had come to light; probably the sales list mentioned that indicated in fact, 'Serpents' had been sold along along with series 3.
Pam Lonsdale stated on the AoW DVD that in fact she gave no permission for the series 1 and 2 tapes to be wiped they were a casualty of the Thames system at that time. it would seem from studying holdings pre 1972 Thames favoured wiping certain genres, comedy and childrens T.V. output in preference to adult drama series or one off plays. it's likely that had something to do with sales agreements. Something must have happened in 1973 to review the holdings of their childrens T.V. output as prior to 1973 there's relatively little and appears to be most held after.
'Seven Serpents' began a series of repeat runs for thep series in the London area in 1973. They showed them out of tx order but as far as I recall, they continued with 'Peacock Pie' and 'The Meddlers'.
The only logic I can see that might support the sale is that the tapes for that serial were obviously held back for the suggested repeat. If they were bunched close to the series 3 repeats, rights for the sales may have been secured during or just before the repeat transmissions. In order to maximise commercial benefits it would be reasonable to suppose Thames would have secured rights for sales for all the remaining tapes. As we know series 3 is held in its entirety. I would guess that there was nothing special to series 1 and 2 that would stop them falling under the same criteria for sales as series 3; just that the general sales policy for Thames childrens output at the time they were made was different.
We do know that Thames enterprises made black and white sales prints of their childrens output for overseas sales purposes. This was belived and listed to include series 1 of 'PARDON MY GENIE' which predates the apparent sales policy change. Prints were also made of AoW series 3 as oddments were listed for certain shows being held as such by TIMESCREEN magazine. I think including 'The Meddlers' and 'Peacock Pie'.
I would guess if 'Serpents' were held on tape it would be sold on tape, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose additional film copies might have been made for some countries. Maybe those prints survived until the early 80s sales list cropped up. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose that later on an interested party might have removed the prints if they existed even in the lead up to the closure of Thames as broadcaster c. 1988-89.
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Apr 19, 2014 9:07:37 GMT
Back in 1988, I was at a telefantasy convention at The Grand Hotel in Birmingham. These was an AOW panel, including an appearance by Judy Loe, According to the original schedule for the convention it was to be accompanied by a showing of Seven Serpents, Sulphur And Salt, but late in the day it was replaced with The Beautiful People. I wonder if Thames still listed Serpents as available even that late, and when it couldn't be found there was a rapid change of plans? If that was TellyCon II, I've a vague recollection of there being a change, but I think it was from another s3 show: The Meddlers?
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Post by richardwoods on Jun 3, 2015 16:49:29 GMT
Bump. Yeah, I know I'll probably get flack for re, re, re bumping this thread, but just on the off chance that someone reading this might, just might have some new info about the missing serial Seven Serpents Sulphur and Salt possibly being exported for viewing outside the UK with the still intact Season 3? (Please see further back in the thread for more info).
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