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Post by John Fleming on Jul 15, 2010 7:24:56 GMT
I think this refers to that guy who has a hoard of missing top of the pops off air recordings, but wants a big wad of dough to release them. I have heard concerns about the continuing stability of the recordings on archaic tape formats. Please jump in and correct me if I am wrong. That's correct Greg, but a big wad of dough by our standards is a lot less by BBC standards, if you saw what the Beeb spent on taxi fares last year (I forget the figure but it was outrageous) then 20k seems like peanuts. For those that don't know I tried to form a consortium last year to buy this collection, we fell well short of the target but 6 people, myself included, each pledged £1000. If us fans are prepared to cough up our money to retrieve this stuff then I reckon the BBC should do so. The quality is pristine btw, I have it on good authority that the clip of Jean-Michel Jarre/Legs & Co that briefly appeared on Youtube was PVL material.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Jul 15, 2010 8:04:40 GMT
I think this refers to that guy who has a hoard of missing top of the pops off air recordings, but wants a big wad of dough to release them. I have heard concerns about the continuing stability of the recordings on archaic tape formats. Please jump in and correct me if I am wrong. That's correct Greg, but a big wad of dough by our standards is a lot less by BBC standards, if you saw what the Beeb spent on taxi fares last year (I forget the figure but it was outrageous) then 20k seems like peanuts. For those that don't know I tried to form a consortium last year to buy this collection, we fell well short of the target but 6 people, myself included, each pledged £1000. If us fans are prepared to cough up our money to retrieve this stuff then I reckon the BBC should do so. The quality is pristine btw, I have it on good authority that the clip of Jean-Michel Jarre/Legs & Co that briefly appeared on Youtube was PVL material. Apologies if this rather obvious suggestion has been made already - but has anyone considered approaching some of the artists whose work could be retrieved by securing this collection, as they would have easier access to ready cash?
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Post by davemachin on Jul 15, 2010 13:29:15 GMT
This promise of such important news is like waiting for the second coming! After all the build-up, we can only assume something very big and significant.
I must say though that a collection of home videos (PVL) as someone suggested, would be a real let down. That collection may have a few gems in there (only in off-air quality) but the bulk would be things already existing and definitely not of a recovery of the stature of what has been implied so far.
The other thing of course is are we going to get a chance to this material material whatever it is?
Tho I do not wish to hurry or prejudice proceedings, I only hope we are not kept waiting for much longer after all the build up. There is only so much excitement of this kind that a chap can take!
Dave
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 15, 2010 13:58:59 GMT
To be truthful, I'm chuffed when virtually anything turns up. Recovery is everything; to me, it's like there are probably thousands of Roman relics around the country, buried, and to an archeologist, digging even a thimble up is a big thing for some - and the way I feel about missing TV is very similar. If I found a wiped cookery show, I'd be pleased. Yes, to me TOTP finds are the best, but anything that is part of our cultural (and the artists personal) past that can be saved is fantastic. I can't relate to the Romans or any previous historical period very well, but I can relate to 60s and 70s TV. Hence my interest.
Sorry for blabbing on.
But lets hope we have a major find anyway.
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Jul 15, 2010 16:27:46 GMT
i second that. anything recovered is significant to me. that goes for movie recoveries also! there are significant amounts of TOTP missing. if this guy was an obsessive recorder then it could be that a large proportion of missing stuff will be there. i have come across obssessive recorders before (albeit of the VHS generation) and they do horde huge amounts of material, so lets not pre-judge the size of the find
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 15, 2010 17:19:31 GMT
To my mind, since we know it's not Who (the original post made that clear), PVL would be the most important discovery imaginable. He has 20 missing TOTP including the 500th, and I have been told he also has some orphan clips from 1972. Considering how little survives from this year that in itself would be a great find. The quality is pristine off-air, broadcast quality isn't everything, the material concerned is the most important thing so long as the quality is acceptable.
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Post by davemachin on Jul 15, 2010 17:51:10 GMT
Do we know exactly what he has though, John? This collection hasn't been checked by any reliable source has it? There are stories about this collection but I haven't heard of 20 missing Top of the Pops in it before. Don't mean to dismiss the idea but it still doesn't amount to a very important find in the scheme of things (and I am a great pops fan). If these recordings are poor quality they have limited use. If they were high quality phillips format then maybe, but again we do not really know much about this supposed collection at all that is fact. The news has to be about something else how ever you look at it.
On another note, it is good and heartening to see how the 2010 discoveries thread has expanded over the year.
Dave
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 15, 2010 18:07:40 GMT
There are stories about this collection but I haven't heard of 20 missing Top of the Pops in it before. 19 actually since Kaleidoscope recovered 31/03/77 from David Hamilton 04/10/73 (500th) 31/01/74 07/02/74 13/09/74 26/09/74 21/11/74 30/01/75 06/02/75 03/04/75 17/04/75 12/06/75 19/06/75 26/06/75 02/12/76 16/12/76 10/02/77 (may exist at the BBC) 03/03/77 04/08/77 08/09/77
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jul 15, 2010 18:18:06 GMT
lets not get carried away here, nobody has said that its TOTP material. The only hint so far is that its not Who material. could be missing Morecambe and Wise, Dads Army or Likely lads or anything really. i just hope after all this speculation that whatever it is is worth the wait.......
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Post by Greg H on Jul 15, 2010 18:24:17 GMT
lets not get carried away here, nobody has said that its TOTP material. The only hint so far is that its not Who material. could be missing Morecambe and Wise, Dads Army or Likely lads or anything really. i just hope after all this speculation that whatever it is is worth the wait....... Very well said, although fun, speculation is fairly pointless at this stage!
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Post by Greg H on Jul 15, 2010 18:27:22 GMT
I think this refers to that guy who has a hoard of missing top of the pops off air recordings, but wants a big wad of dough to release them. I have heard concerns about the continuing stability of the recordings on archaic tape formats. Please jump in and correct me if I am wrong. That's correct Greg, but a big wad of dough by our standards is a lot less by BBC standards, if you saw what the Beeb spent on taxi fares last year (I forget the figure but it was outrageous) then 20k seems like peanuts. For those that don't know I tried to form a consortium last year to buy this collection, we fell well short of the target but 6 people, myself included, each pledged £1000. If us fans are prepared to cough up our money to retrieve this stuff then I reckon the BBC should do so. The quality is pristine btw, I have it on good authority that the clip of Jean-Michel Jarre/Legs & Co that briefly appeared on Youtube was PVL material. I know what you mean. Even though the BBC are under no obligation to recover material that they previously junked as worthless, it would be nice if they were a bit more proactive. I find it likely that they could recover 20K from some kind of marketing of the material. I know DVD releases might be tricky to negotiate, but im sure they could exploit the material in some way to recoup their money. Do I risk sounding like an echo if I say they shouldnt have been such butter fingers in the first place?
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Post by stevefreestone on Jul 16, 2010 10:55:29 GMT
Colour Steptoe's would be nice!
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Post by Nick Cooper on Jul 16, 2010 12:10:17 GMT
That's correct Greg, but a big wad of dough by our standards is a lot less by BBC standards, if you saw what the Beeb spent on taxi fares last year (I forget the figure but it was outrageous) then 20k seems like peanuts. That's a rather preposterous thing to say. Using taxis is undoubtedly cheaper and more flexible than maintaining a fleet of limousines. Or do you expect highly paid executives and/or talent to be stuck on buses taking a lot longer to get from A to B?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 12:33:55 GMT
Just to keep things on track a bit, we've no idea of the nature of this news at the moment and we are only assuming it's a significant amount of missing material turning up (fingers crossed it is that though). All we know right now is that - whatever it is - it doesn't pertain to Dr.Who!
Just to go along with comments made earlier though that if it IS missing material, a few TOTP off-airs doesn't really constitute a major find of the kind that has been implied by the build-up. Archives are non-plussed about off-airs (TOTP quad masters would be a different matter, not that it IS this) so if the news is of a recovery of some kind, it must be something more significant.
Again though, time will tell what this is all about...
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Post by Alan Hayes on Jul 16, 2010 13:14:56 GMT
Surely, the more the speculation and the posting of wishlists etc, the greater the feeling of deflation when whatever the announcement will be, is made? We can never have back everything that we'd wish for.
In some ways, it's unfortunate that the announcement was made in the first place - if it hadn't been made, then the find (assuming it IS a find) would live or die on its own merits rather than compete with increasingly unrealistic expectations.
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