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Post by cperry on Nov 26, 2009 13:42:55 GMT
Perhaps the top of this thread should be renamed German clip discovered, possibly TOTP?
Part of the problem with things like Youtube is that they are unreliable sources of info for genuine research.
Its great the clip turns up, its certainly rare and probably hasn't been seen for 20 years, but is it actually missing TOTP? Thanks to our German friends I think we are now establishing its a long-lost German performance. Still great to see but not TOTP.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Nov 26, 2009 14:06:52 GMT
Thanks Christopher,
it looks like a perfomance from TOTP, but there were also dancing teenagers on "Hits A Go Go" around this time and they nearly all looked the same at the time.
I've only tried to help here, but I'm not an expert on every german or british pop programme, in fact in November 1969 I was only about two years old.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 15:44:54 GMT
Thanks for your help anyway, Oliver. Much appreciated. Paul Vanezis, one of the named moderators here, works for the BBC. So if he's reading this, perhaps he can check this one out in his BBC capacity and get an answer one way or the other? It's looking to me like it's a German clip but I never say never until the last moment. You never know...
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Post by Warchild on Nov 26, 2009 16:12:24 GMT
Well, no Tull performance from Beat Club in 1969 has ever been known to exist and this show is one of the best documented and preserved of all the early pop music shows. The reason why I'm reasonably sure that it is from TOTP is because of a photo of the stage arrangement that is strongly believed to be a Tull TOTP performance and comes from Glenn Cornick's (Tull's bass player) personal collection. It can be seen here www.cornick.org/gallery/jethro_tull_archive_1?page=8 (picture in bottom left hand corner entitled 'publicity photo') I'll send Glenn an e-mail, just maybe he can confirm whether or not this is indeed TOTP.
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Post by Warchild on Nov 26, 2009 16:18:53 GMT
Laurence - if Paul has access to the BBC photo archives then there is a very good chance there will be a couple of shots of Tull on TOTP. The link above is one such that I believe comes from the BBC. Pictures likely to be of the 'Living In The Past' performance also exist (there's one on Glenn Cornick's website) but if the BBC still have them and they are dated then it should prove the provenance of the clip once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 16:39:18 GMT
Excellent stuff, Don! Good idea about the photos. It might be worth your PM-ing Paul too with your suggestions ( he'll be found in the members list at the top of the page).
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Post by FrankMeier on Nov 26, 2009 16:45:49 GMT
Dears
it could happen that the WDR used TOTP performances to build a report about jethro Tull together. This report is used in a Beat Club . So you will never find this in the line up under Jethro Tull, as it will be mentioned as a report for/about young poeple that time only. I will review my BC 69/70 - we may find this clip there and then you can be quite sure it comes from WDR.
By the way - same could happen with NDR and Hits a gogo.
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Post by Warchild on Nov 26, 2009 18:55:02 GMT
Hi Frank, If this clip was shown on a beat club then it will be 1971 or later. You can hear a few notes from 'Aqualung' at the end of the clip on youtube indicating that it was used sometime from 1971 onwards.
Strange though - if WDR were going to use this footage in a report I would have expected them to use their own footage rather than pay for a foreign clip
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Post by Warchild on Nov 27, 2009 11:09:53 GMT
OK, I've had a reply from Glenn Cornick (original Tull bass player):
I'm sure I've seen this clip before. Here's what I believe is a still picture from the show [attached picture is the one I included the link to in a previous post. DN]. I am absolutely certain it is Top of the Pops but I can't say when. Sorry I can't give you any more info. Let me know if you find out anything else. Glenn
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 12:01:58 GMT
Well, the clothes in the photo are identical to the ones the group are wearing in the video clip so it looks pretty certain it's TOTP! Thanks for checking with Glen. The thing now is to identify the doc that used the footage and the owners of it. Is the clip complete too, I wonder, or just what we see there?
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Nov 28, 2009 6:09:07 GMT
My 'Tull' Beat Club recollection is that they did a wonderful 9 minute 'With you there to help me' on the show in 1970.
T.
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Post by John Glascock on Nov 28, 2009 16:14:34 GMT
The photo on Glenn's archiv is from TOTP " Sweet Dream " (please read below the photo the comment of the photographer). Now I know more details about the youtube clip: It's a tv report about the german tour 1999 (5 min). Here the exact contents:
- Ian & Martin jaming "Bourèe" backstage - interviews with Ian & Martin backstage - Paris 1975 clip - "Sweet Dream" 1969 clip - "For A 1000 Mothers" live clip Hamburg 2-June-1999 - the offer to win tickets for the concert in Magdeburg 23-June-1999.
Broadcast on MDR (eastern german tv station) and was called "Artour", date is between the gig in Hamburg 2.6. and Magdeburg 23.6.99, probable 10.6.99. Anybody out there with contacts to " MDR "!?
John G.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 9:59:55 GMT
Hopefully someone has! At last there's a definite lead to follow up. Cheers for that, John.
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Post by Warchild on Nov 30, 2009 12:04:07 GMT
Excellent work John,
As this is a recent documentary rather that from c1971 (as I had assumed from brief youtube clip) then the chances of the full Sweet Dream clip existing has just shot up.
To echo what John was saying - can anyone contact MDR???
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Post by John Glascock on Dec 6, 2009 15:52:56 GMT
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