|
Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 15, 2004 8:43:31 GMT
Hmm, i'd agree. Looking back, Lester's original question was straightforward and deserved a polite answer. Even if some of us have heard it all a thousand times, there are others out there who haven't. What was his crime? Bad English? Why the superior attitude? If there's bad blood between you in the past or something, why let it spill over here?
Also, if we want to promote an elevated level of discussion then it would help if we all put proper names to our words (especially when handles are supposedly not allowed). I don't know what the original questioner has done to some of the posters here in the past but we must assume people are sincere and treat them politely if they haven't deliberately set out to attack us.
|
|
|
Post by Lester on Oct 15, 2004 8:54:02 GMT
Gentlemen...to save more arguements, I shall take my leave from this forum, Thank you for letting me in on your Board, its obvious to some people that what ever i say seems to be wrong, I also apologise to Mr Barfe for `annoying` you....everybody keep up the good work, you are all doing a fantastic job.
Best Regards
Lester.
|
|
|
Post by Stuart on Oct 15, 2004 8:54:43 GMT
All you seem to promote is a superior tone of voice which is rude. Why not talk to people as if they aren't all idiots. A bit of politeness doesn't hurt anyone. Specially if they haven't knowingly attacked you. Indeed. Your supposed attempt to elevate the tone merely comes across as pompous and ignorant and makes you sound, to be frank, like a maladjusted and arrogant buffoon. It is one thing to be annoyed at an obvious or poorly constructed question but quite another to go out of your way to construct and post an offensive and needlessly rude reply. Or perhaps you too have a disability, Louis? One of the Autistic Spectrum Disorders, maybe? If so, please let us know and we can all be sure to make allowances. Anyway, who are you to accuse me of being a troll. Join up and log in, or it'll look like YOU'RE a troll Oh, and you might want to brush up on your punctuation, Louis. You're missing a question mark and a full stop. Stuart
|
|
|
Post by Tony T on Oct 15, 2004 10:53:18 GMT
Hmm...I have to agree with Laurence/ Stuarts postings...why kick someone down when a polite question is asked?....o.k....the guy admitted he does not know a lot about missing episodes, so why the aggression?....I hope the mods can see this, because it seems to be a place to let personal steam.
Tony T.
|
|
|
Post by LFBarfe on Oct 15, 2004 11:37:57 GMT
All you seem to promote is a superior tone of voice which is rude. No, it's just intelligence. If you care to look here and on The Mausoleum Club, you'll find plenty of examples where I reply to people politely. See above. My main problem is not with the mode in which someone expresses themselves. If someone here asked a worthwhile question or provided a worthwhile answer, but did so in an unpunctuated, badly-spelt manner, I would overlook that. It's when people ask stupid questions (repeatedly) that I have to pick them up. I would do so even if they were elegantly written. I am trying hard not to react, though, simply because I have more important things to be doing than educating those who were failed by the system. Over in the radio forum, some chap has started a thread headed 'The Light Programme'. Being a light entertainment/variety enthusiast, I clicked on it to see if there was anything interesting being said. All the person who started the thread had to say was this: "It put out some good programmes in its time". Then some other Dickie One-Speed replied. "I agree. The Goons were good". What is the point of that thread? Moreover, what the hell has it got to do with missing episodes? I was going to reply that all concerned with the thread were obviously dead from the neck up, but I noticed that it had been moribund for a couple of weeks, so thought it better to leave it swinging slowly in the breeze. Gary, most people can stick up for themselves. Let them. Your concern is very touching, but not a little patronising.
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 11:48:53 GMT
Indeed. Your supposed attempt to elevate the tone merely comes across as pompous and ignorant and makes you sound, to be frank, like a maladjusted and arrogant buffoon. You say the sweetest things. Gizza snog. I agree that it is quite another thing to go so far, but when you work at home and are either bored or trying to avoid finishing some work, procrastination takes many forms. Nothing that has been diagnosed. I must have some mental issues, though, if I persist in visiting this forum. Well spotted. By that point, the red mist had descended. All corrected now.
|
|
|
Post by Stuart on Oct 15, 2004 11:56:16 GMT
You say the sweetest things. Gizza snog. I agree that it is quite another thing to go so far, but when you work at home and are either bored or trying to avoid finishing some work, procrastination takes many forms. Nothing that has been diagnosed. I must have some mental issues, though, if I persist in visiting this forum. Well spotted. By that point, the red mist had descended. All corrected now. I'll give you this, Louis - you can take it as well as give it. However, wouldn't your time be better spent (procrastination aside) by just ignoring posts you clearly think unworthy of serious attention? Stuart
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 11:56:59 GMT
Hmm, i'd agree. Looking back, Lester's original question was straightforward It was certainly that, but there did seem to be a subtext of 'has anyone thought of asking...', which, of course, they have. Fair enough if a new visitor to the forum asks that sort of question, but I seem to recall that Lester had asked it, or something similar, before. Not really. Ah, my 20 year-long affair with Lester is rumbled. Yes, I'm just bitter that he left me for a man with a piano-key Ferguson VCR with plug-in remote control. The secret is out. Nope, never met him. If I did, I'd probably end up liking him. Plain text is not the best medium in which to judge a person's character. Is that aimed at anyone in particular? I assume not at me, any road up. The F stands for Frederick, by the way. Well, indeed, but Lester does have form on the stupid question front. I try to be broad-minded, but after a while I just can't resist responding. I'm only trying to help, in my own strange way.
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 12:03:34 GMT
I'll give you this, Louis - you can take it as well as give it. Cheers. There's always something pathetic about people who dish it out, but can't take it. Journalists who sue other journalists for libel (something that should be illegal, IMHO). Politicians and businessmen who sue anyone at the drop of a hat. I've always believed that if you stick your head above the parapet, you should expect the odd bullet hole in your hat. I do try to ignore them (see the thing about the 'Light Programme' thread over on the radio Missing Eps forum), but I think that this forum has the potential to be very illuminating and useful, and it upsets me to see it full of utter pointlessness. To be honest, the other day was the first time I'd been in here for a couple of months, and I was just astonished to see that the same thread was still rumbling on, and that a couple of people were still fulminating over something I posted in June.
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 12:04:53 GMT
Gentlemen...to save more arguements, I shall take my leave from this forum, Thank you for letting me in on your Board, its obvious to some people that what ever i say seems to be wrong, I also apologise to Mr Barfe for `annoying` you....everybody keep up the good work, you are all doing a fantastic job. Your call, Lester, but the annoying thing about flounce-outs is that, quite often, no-one really cares or notices.
|
|
|
Post by CliveUK on Oct 15, 2004 12:54:17 GMT
Hmm, i'd agree. Looking back, Lester's original question was straightforward and deserved a polite answer. Yes, but that is the whole problem with this thread. Towards the bottom of the first page, a polite and informative answer was provided. To which a number of you agreed represented the likely status of foreign archives. But at the top of the second page, Lesters original question is slightly re-worded and asked again. Reading through this thread from start to finish is a highly amusing experience. Louis, Andy and others give initial reasoned and educated responses, speaking from a position where they have been involved in Missing Episode hunting for years. Other contributors decide to ignore their knowledge and experience (and in many cases common sense) and continue asking the same questions again and again and again and again. Not just this thread but all the other biggie threads appearing in the Missing Episode forums at the moment.
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 13:16:28 GMT
Louis, Andy and others give initial reasoned and educated responses, speaking from a position where they have been involved in Missing Episode hunting for years. I wouldn't put myself in the same class as Andy and the others - to date, I have returned only one programme to the archives, the Tubby Hayes BBC Jazz Club sessions that are mentioned on the Treasure Hunt site. However, I like to think that I have an informed and reasonable take on the whole missing episodes thing. As for negotiating with foreign archives, my father-in-law (an ex-BBC producer/director) has programmes that I'm convinced are missing, and it's tricky enough getting him to talk about it.
|
|
|
Post by lfbarfe on Oct 15, 2004 13:27:48 GMT
In relation to the regional question posted a page or so above, is it unlikely that regional inserts into programmes such as Election coverage, Children In Need, etc. are kept? Given the expense of VT in the 70s/early 80s, could it be that only the South East/Network feed in such broadcasts were retained for posterity? Was there any policy at all, or was it left to producer discretion? If the latter, would it be high-band or low-band? Ooops.... more conjecture... Aye, but it's a good question, Mark. I have no idea, except to say that I recently visited the BBC's new premises in Norwich, and didn't see anything resembling an archive facility. So, that doesn't bode well for the East regional opts, unless the East Anglian Film Archive at UEA has kept them. Certainly when BBC Parliament has repeated election coverage, the London/South East regional bits were the ones shown.
|
|
|
Post by Stuart on Oct 15, 2004 13:36:52 GMT
Yes, but that is the whole problem with this thread. Towards the bottom of the first page, a polite and informative answer was provided. To which a number of you agreed represented the likely status of foreign archives. But at the top of the second page, Lesters original question is slightly re-worded and asked again. Reading through this thread from start to finish is a highly amusing experience. Louis, Andy and others give initial reasoned and educated responses, speaking from a position where they have been involved in Missing Episode hunting for years. Other contributors decide to ignore their knowledge and experience (and in many cases common sense) and continue asking the same questions again and again and again and again. Not just this thread but all the other biggie threads appearing in the Missing Episode forums at the moment. That last point is true, but in what way does that excuse discourtesy (and I recognise that constantly restating the same question in only slightly different terms is discourteous in itself)? It's surely the mods role to remove pointless, annoying and repetitive posts - in which case why not just ignore such posts rather than react in an impolite and even aggressive manner? Stuart (waiting for a registration email)
|
|
|
Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 15, 2004 16:13:37 GMT
[quote author=Guest-Stuart That last point is true, but in what way does that excuse discourtesy (and I recognise that constantly restating the same question in only slightly different terms is discourteous in itself)? [/quote]
This is my point too, Stuart. He responds to the charge of rudeness is an extremely discourteous and superior manner. If he doesn't like the repetiton of questions then he can ignore them!
|
|