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Post by B Thomas on Feb 13, 2008 20:49:34 GMT
However, that part of the story doesn't ring true to any sellers of film I've ever come across - none of which would sell to someone professing to destroy the items in question... wanna bet ?......Bruce grenville was quite close to destroying the print of "the Lion" because he couldnt sell it to anybody at collectors fairs.... Bloody hell, Neil - that's terrible if true. I've known quite a few film collectors in my time - all of whom would have a seizure if any film was destroyed through this kind of lack of interest. Some have quite literally saved some stuff from the fire as bereaved "So-and-so"s have been cheerfully disposing of deceased, silly "Great-Uncle Whats-it's" old black and white film "rubbish"...
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 14, 2008 3:40:21 GMT
[quote author=neillambess board=who thread=1200412009 post=1202906305[/quote] I actually had just over $5 in my pocket when i found " the Lion" at Bruce Grenvilles house...... nice to see people on this board are their usual friendly trusting cheerfull selves.......no wonder nothings been returned for ages, !!!!! I MUST find something else and post the news on here first and see what happens.... [/quote] After the two Web Of Fear hoaxes the fans have been subjected to in the last year, it would probably be better to have the BBC confirm a find before posting anything. ;D The natives became extremely restless last fall after DWO printed an unfounded rumor concerning episodes 2-6 of that story. They kept saying that they stood by the report from their three reliable sources that the story had been found. Then they came out and said it was the fault of the Doctor Who fans for the story being blown out of proportion.
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Post by Paul Ryan on Feb 14, 2008 5:17:12 GMT
I agree that its best not to get anyone's hopes up (duh), and if you do find something that may be a missing epsiode, get in touch with the Restoration Team first and foremost.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 14, 2008 17:48:18 GMT
I agree that its best not to get anyone's hopes up (duh), and if you do find something that may be a missing epsiode, get in touch with the Restoration Team first and foremost. That is 100% correct. DWO set the internet ablaze with that Web of Fear report and they continued to stand by their story for over a month. Then they didn't even have the decency to explain what went wrong after everybody was disappointed. It seems that DWO was giving free publicity to hoaxers.
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Post by Andy Howells on Feb 14, 2008 18:19:03 GMT
That's really sad that so many fans have been lead up the garden path. I've been a life-long fan of the Doctor Who and Dad's Army but must admit have stayed away from such things as forums in the past mainly because I've heard of so many stories about pranksters like what has been mentioned and displayed here in recent days. There are so many people out there who think its funny to poke fun or wind fans up and I learned many years ago that you can generally tell the fakes from the true fans or collectors within a few exchanges of conversations or emails. All I can say is ignore them, by constantly replying to them, mentioning them or even giving them the slightest recognition you are only giving them what they want - a reaction! Ignore them and they'll get bored and go away... As for those of you who are seeking missing episodes or indeed found them - good luck to you all, and when they are safely returned to the archive - I'll do what I normally do and read it in the paper or the BBC news website and by you a pint if i see you in the pub!
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Post by Martin Dunne on Mar 2, 2008 10:46:18 GMT
Sorry this has blown up in my absence -- the last listing I have for a Troughton (until 1986) was a repeat of The War Games 10 on August 24th 1973 in Brisbane (although ABC would play a story through in a couple of days during school holidays 'till May 1974) so who knows what you've found. Colour TV was introduced in 1975, and stations avoided B&W to show off the new technology, which determined the small scope of Australian repeats until the '80s. What I have listed for that year are seasons 10 and 11; everyone saw up to Planet of the Daleks by January and Time Warrior/Death to the Daleks/Monster of Pleadon from March to July. The show was broadcast on a regional basis until 1978/1979, with daily striped stories being played at the same time in different states (and seriously out of order), weekly episodes staggered across states. Except Darwin, which mysteriously goes off air in December 1974, leaving Time Monster half broadcast.
The articles in Chameleon Factor 78 and 80 cover 1965 to 1986, and include the capitals (Darwin and Hobart too) as well as some intra-State variations. They're the basis for my MA, and that's the main reason I haven't made a database -- yet.
The club's site is at sfsa.org.au and I don't know if we have any copies of these issues in stock. If demand's enough we could reprint them.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Mar 2, 2008 11:04:13 GMT
That sounds like an interesting read by I suspect it was probably only researched in relation to one state and not all six (would it be too sarcastic to speculate that it was probably based on Sydney transmissions?). To do that one would have to spend about a week in each state going through local papers for about 8 hours a day! Although any research would paint a pretty solid picture as most spurts of transmissions have always been fairly well alligned (at least since about 1982 when I became an avid fan and barring daylight savings intervening at times!). I was thinking about going through the local listings in both local papers here in Tasmania from 1965 to circa 1980 to try and map out the nature of the broadcasts here but it would only be when that information was correlated with studies in the other states that one might get a feel for how the reels were moved around between capital cities. Otherwise the only benefit would be in the luxury of knowing when the stories were broadcast and from that get a sense of how likely it might have been that some may have been recorded. I'm flat out with a PhD at the moment anyway, but I've found that if the placement of information is consistent in a paper and the information is limited and easy to read, its amazing how quickly a decade can be wipped through. On the other hand if you are reading a hundred year old paper on a crappy micro-film reader, it's panadol time and cancel the holdiday!!! Well you got one bit right -- you were being too sarcastic. The State Library of SA holds microfilm of other state's papers, with few gaps. I also found a paper collection of the WA Sunday Times (now sadly moved off site) which was superior to public collections in Perth, Canberra or News Corporation itself. One problem I had was the Hobart Mercury. Not that it wasn't there, just with the postage stamp sized listings they held in the mid-sixties the typical entry read "7.3 Dr Who (A)". It was pretty obvious that when these changed to "(G)" with the fourteenth episode I'd found Marco Polo. The cause of listings research will forever be indebted to my friend Donald who looked through the TV Times in Tas and could give me the titles. I'd recommend a paper copy of the ABC's own guide over some hack tabloid on microform, and the opportunity to triangulate with more than one source if you get it.
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Post by JeffL on Mar 3, 2008 1:39:11 GMT
That would be nice but I think I have seen elsewhere in this forum that the BBC has pretty much exhausted the Australian archives.
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Post by myreignofterror on Mar 16, 2008 3:49:34 GMT
Bloody Rumor Spreaders !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dylan on Jun 20, 2008 23:58:53 GMT
Hi all, I'm a latecomer to the thread and to the board, but in light of the mention of Troughton repeats post 1975 I thought I'd throw in my two cents.
A good friend of mine (I know, sorry) told me some years ago that he'd seen Web of Fear (or the one in the London Underground as he remembered it) as a child in Rockhampton in Queensland. He specifically remembered the scene of the Doctor warning Jamie and Victoria not to step on the electric rails. Now the interesting thing is he was born in early 73 and lived in Rocky for about 5 years, which would put a repeat of Web somewhere between 1975 and 1978 if he remembers correctly. It wasn't unheard of for the ABC to still show black and white programs after 1975 - I found a Brisbane listing for the Goodies episode "Camelot" in b&W in August 1976.
Having said that, I've looked through old Rocky newspaper fiches at the state library to find more info, but unfortunately I haven't yet found any evidence. Brisbane ABC definitely didn't show any Troughton between 1973 and 1986, but I don't know how much regional Queensland stations varied from Brisbane. Maybe he somehow saw the surviving part 1 years later, maybe he remembered reading the Target novelisation and in his mind that's turned into a visual thing, maybe it's another show entirely that he's mixed up with Doctor Who. But he was pretty certain that he'd seen the London Underground episode in Rockhampton as a child in the mid to late 70s.
Next time I'm at the state library I'll have another look through Rockhampton listings to see if I can find anything. Another thought, perhaps there were unscheduled broadcasts? Test cricket was shown on ABC until 1979. In the event of play being rained out, what better way to fill a couple of hours during the day than with a few old Doctor Who reels?
Pure speculation of course.
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Post by dylan on Jun 21, 2008 0:01:04 GMT
Except Darwin, which mysteriously goes off air in December 1974, leaving Time Monster half broadcast. That would be Cyclone Tracy.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Jun 22, 2008 15:49:57 GMT
This is highly unlikely--but possible. There were regional variations between capitals and regional broadcasters as late as the early '70s. If you want to research that, great!! Because of the prevalence of microwave links by the late '70s it would have became more of a nuisance than not to have regional schedules, but Queensland is a notable hold out. The rest of the nation (more or less) unified schedules in 1978, Queensland showed significant variation until 1979.
As for Darwin going off the air, I've been told it was Tracy--I'm not convinced it wasn't The Time Monster itself. Oops...
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