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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on May 15, 2023 20:09:17 GMT
Who remembers the tenth planet part 4 situation the tape was blank after it was played. We have have been here before. I think quiet rightly the BBC would proceed with caution if a similar situation ever materializes again. The bottom line is the cans can say what they like it's the contents that are key Did they actually get a tape? What format was it - vhs / betamax/ 1or2 inch reel to reel? The tape which was supplied was Shibaden
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 15, 2023 21:43:43 GMT
Who remembers the tenth planet part 4 situation the tape was blank after it was played. We have have been here before. I think quiet rightly the BBC would proceed with caution if a similar situation ever materializes again. The bottom line is the cans can say what they like it's the contents that are key Did they actually get a tape? What format was it - vhs / betamax/ 1or2 inch reel to reel? Shibaden, I believe.
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Post by Frank Shailes on May 16, 2023 1:06:04 GMT
Do the cans that Paul Vanezis claims to have seen have any titles on them? Since it is speculation that they may or may not contain "something", there's surely no harm in saying what it is supposed to be. Paul doesn't wish to do that. Might as well not have mentioned the cans then. Smacks of Phil Morris "wind is blowing in the right direction" teasing.
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Post by RWels on May 16, 2023 6:02:20 GMT
Paul doesn't wish to do that. Might as well not have mentioned the cans then. Smacks of Phil Morris "wind is blowing in the right direction" teasing. He respects the privacy of these collectors. Which in my book makes his statement MORE reliable, not less. By the way you do realise that Paul Vanezis is an admin on his forum, right? It's perhaps not very polite or helpful to imply that he's lying.
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Post by stevehoare61 on May 16, 2023 6:27:11 GMT
I take Pauls word as totally honest and reliable, I have never seen him called out on anything. I would take his word a 100 times before Phils, who led us a Merry Dance.
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 16, 2023 9:19:48 GMT
Paul doesn't wish to do that. Might as well not have mentioned the cans then. Smacks of Phil Morris "wind is blowing in the right direction" teasing. Given that it wouldn't get us one jot closer to actually recovering them, where's the benefit in doing it other than to potentially annoy the collector in question?
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Post by peterconvery on May 16, 2023 9:26:15 GMT
Did they actually get a tape? What format was it - vhs / betamax/ 1or2 inch reel to reel? Shibaden, I believe. Thanks for both your answers. Is / was shibaden interchangeable between machines, could it only playback on the machine it was originally taped on? There has been an advancement in technology and I know its less of a problem now with digital trackers picking up signals from the tapes. Does the tape still exist and has it been checked recently?
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Post by kurt devery on May 16, 2023 10:07:03 GMT
That tape was blank nothing to recover here. It was a hoax
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on May 16, 2023 13:43:52 GMT
That tape was blank nothing to recover here. It was a hoax Sigh, it's the Ten Planet Barrett hoax, isn't it? I heard the guy did it as payback for being fired from a Doctor Who fanclub or something like that.
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Post by peterconvery on May 16, 2023 19:25:54 GMT
That tape was blank nothing to recover here. It was a hoax Sigh, it's the Ten Planet Barrett hoax, isn't it? I heard the guy did it as payback for being fired from a Doctor Who fanclub or something like that. Oh dear.....well thats just sad. Shibaden format was too late for a UK recording anyway - it was released 1968 amd TP4 was broadcast 1966. Unless it came from Australia- last repeats across the districts was may/June 1968, which just about makes it possible
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on May 16, 2023 20:45:28 GMT
Shibaden format was too late for a UK recording anyway - it was released 1968 amd TP4 was broadcast 1966. Unless it came from Australia- last repeats across the districts was may/June 1968, which just about makes it possible[/quote]
Yes but the ruse was that a copy had been transferred onto the Shibaden tape at a later date. Think it was also claimed to have Tenth Planet 3.
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Post by Ian Ritchie on May 17, 2023 19:50:41 GMT
Paul doesn't wish to do that. Might as well not have mentioned the cans then. Smacks of Phil Morris "wind is blowing in the right direction" teasing. If you listen to the interview in which PV talked about this then I think you would probably be more understanding. (I’ll tell you which Radio Free Skaro podcast it is in a minute.) He was asked about collectors who might own one or two missing episodes. The (very generalised) details he gives about this particular collector – He’s “a very nice guy”, “He's not a Dr Who fan. He's not the sort of person that is really interested in any of this.” – kind of dispel some of the preconceptions we might have of people who own missing material. Based on the particular information PV was sharing, the (alleged) contents of the two film cans seems irrelevant. He does say that revealing this “wouldn't really work for [the collector].” As fans we often can’t help ourselves and just want to know more… and the story ceases to be the one that was intended and ends up being: let’s speculate on which missing episodes these are. Personally, I’m glad PV kept the details to himself. Until/unless these get loaned to the BBC (assuming the contents match the labels) there’s no point knowing. It would just be too tantalising to know that episodes X and Y exist but haven’t yet been secured and possibly never will be. [The question PV was answering was really a follow-up to an interview in an earlier podcast in which he talked of the unwarranted criticism of film collectors who have not yet shared their missing material. He said that “Without them, these things would have been lost or destroyed years ago. And these things have survived because they've been cared for.”] [Perhaps this information about the collector might have been intended to focus our minds? It confirms that, yes, there *are* collectors with missing material out there. And thus it would be wise to refrain from making damaging criticisms.] Anyway, the interview which talked of the collector was Radio Free Skaro podcast #675 and the relevant bits start at 48'05’’ and 56'14’’. The earlier interview with PV was Radio Free Skaro podcast #638 and my notes suggest a starting point of 37’01’’.
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Post by andyparting on May 18, 2023 8:38:03 GMT
I take Pauls word as totally honest and reliable, I have never seen him called out on anything. I would take his word a 100 times before Phils, who led us a Merry Dance. How is giving us 9 missing episodes leading us on a merry dance?
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Post by John Wall on May 18, 2023 10:40:15 GMT
I take Pauls word as totally honest and reliable, I have never seen him called out on anything. I would take his word a 100 times before Phils, who led us a Merry Dance. How is giving us 9 missing episodes leading us on a merry dance? Happy Dance?
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on May 18, 2023 11:15:47 GMT
I am sure there must be quite a few on this board, myself included, who are aware of people who have missing material in their collections. Whilst we would all encourage such people to return the programmes there is only so much can be done. Outing the material, if not the identity of the owners, would not be the best way to persuade collectors to `do the right thing.` If there was a thread on here devoted to missing material known to be in existence it could be extremely detrenental to recoveries and a bit irresponsible with impatient requests for updates - as with the above Dr Whos - and pms flying about seeking the identities of the owners.
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