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Post by ashleywood on Oct 26, 2015 22:28:08 GMT
How about a "Destroyed At The BBC" highlighting all the fabulous stuff that was de-magnetised ? They could have a whole half hour on Johnny Kidd and The Pirates. OK, probably more like 10 minutes. More realistically, how about a proper Hendrix one with all the clips we know exist from TOTP etc. but seem to have surfaced only on bootleg/official Hendrix dvd and am I the only one who thinks that the Lulu Sunshine Of Your Love is crap and the Voodoo Chile is one of the most brilliant live TV performances known to humanity ? Ditto the Kinks Beat Room where Got Love If You Want It beyond smokes and You Really Got Me is wasted by a poor sound balance but always gets the nod because the song's more famous and the performance is shorter ? How's about they show The Kinks Julie Felix (?) thing with Pete Quaife still in the band and in colour. How that didn't end up on the Kinks BBC set is swearingly stupid. How about they ask Dave Clark if they can show a bunch of Ready Steady Go which he has preserved for future generations by not letting anyone see it for 30 years. Thanks Dave. Maybe they could offer to state how important the DC5 were to classical music and gay rights in exchange for a reduced fee. Personally, I think they should just put up their entire pop holdings for pay download and give up making shows with stupid voiceovers and rolling subtitles. More importantly we also need a 4k scan colourised version of Syd's Pink Floyd on Look Of The Week.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Oct 27, 2015 7:20:17 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me on why Bob Pratt never gets a posthumous thank you at the end of all these 60's and 70's clips shows? I would hate to think he's still thought of as a criminal when BBC4 wouldn't exist without this man.
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Post by Liam Joseph on Oct 27, 2015 8:29:26 GMT
More realistically, how about a proper Hendrix one with all the clips we know exist from TOTP etc. but seem to have surfaced only on bootleg/official Hendrix dvd and am I the only one who thinks that the Lulu Sunshine Of Your Love is crap and the Voodoo Chile is one of the most brilliant live TV performances known to humanity ? The shambolic performance of Hey Joe/Sunshine of Your Love is almost unwatchable, and anyone getting their first exposure to Hendrix via that might wonder what all the fuss was about. It is weird that they seem to prefer that to the far superior Voodoo Chile. A Hendrix at the BBC (minus Hey Joe!) would be good, but don't the Hendrix estate have the TOTP performances of Purple Haze and Wind Cries Mary? If so perhaps the BBC would be reluctant to pay for their use on a compilation show. Ray has said on here that the Beeb are very reluctant to pay for anything to be returned so presumably that means we're unlikely to see any BBC4 comps with the German held Sweet/T Rex etc TOTP stuff, plus the recent Hits a Gogo discoveries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 9:21:01 GMT
Hey Joe was indeed rubbish, but worth it just for this ... when he has to tune his guitar. What a smile.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Oct 27, 2015 15:46:06 GMT
Hey Joe was indeed rubbish, but worth it just for this ... when he has to tune his guitar. What a smile. I don't actually agree that the performance of Hey Joe / Sunshine Of Your Love was rubbish - after all, the single version of Hey Joe is a fairly dreary debut compared to subsequent singles such as Purple Haze, etc., anyway. But as for the slightly ragged medley, surely that's the beauty of a really live performance? Unpredictable and not like the record - which I would prefer over a lip-synched or carbon-copy rendition every time. And I say that as someone who has heard and seen lot of bands playing live but some of whom were almost indistinguishable from their records with visuals: where's the excitement in that? Japan, for instance, in live performance circa 1982, were always note-for-note perfect but ultimately sterile because there was nothing gained from actually seeing them. (Oh, ok.. David Sylvian looked fabulous!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 16:12:11 GMT
[/quote]I don't actually agree that the performance of Hey Joe / Sunshine Of Your Love was rubbish - after all, the single version of Hey Joe is a fairly dreary debut compared to subsequent singles such as Purple Haze, etc., anyway. But as for the slightly ragged medley, surely that's the beauty of a really live performance? Unpredictable and not like the record - which I would prefer over a lip-synched or carbon-copy rendition every time. And I say that as someone who has heard and seen lot of bands playing live but some of whom were almost indistinguishable from their records with visuals: where's the excitement in that? Japan, for instance, in live performance circa 1982, were always note-for-note perfect but ultimately sterile because there was nothing gained from actually seeing them. (Oh, ok.. David Sylvian looked fabulous!)[/quote]
As a musical performance, it was fairly shoddy and Sunshine Of Your Love was bad: it's the kind of thing that happens in rehearsal rooms. It was a bit of a laugh for them in all honesty.
But as a piece of television and as an event or happening, it was amazing and as such, has rightly gone into legend.
I'm not keen on those precision bands either. Live should be live, with a feeling anything can happen ... not a slavish reproduction of the record.
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Post by Gary Critcher on Oct 27, 2015 17:00:08 GMT
'Unpredictable and not like the record - which I would prefer over a lip-synched or carbon-copy rendition every time.' 'Live should be live, with a feeling anything can happen ... not a slavish reproduction of the record.
Every bluddy time.
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Post by Richard Marple on Oct 27, 2015 18:09:58 GMT
IIRC Jimi was often nervous performing so I presume it took a while for his confidence to build up.
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Post by williammcgregor on Oct 27, 2015 18:46:20 GMT
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 27, 2015 19:26:14 GMT
I take all this in but that performance of Voodoo Chile is incendiary and very different from the record. Those guys are on fire and did anyone in the audience understand what Noel's shirt was all about ! The BBC would have gone mental if they knew. Hey Joe/SOYL is just not very good but agreed, his grin when he sorts his E string out is priceless. As for Lulu singing with them - could have been interesting - she's got a voice and Dusty held her own with the Experience - wish all of that had survived.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 20:17:14 GMT
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Post by Jeff Leach on Oct 27, 2015 22:00:39 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me on why Bob Pratt never gets a posthumous thank you at the end of all these 60's and 70's clips shows? I would hate to think he's still thought of as a criminal when BBC4 wouldn't exist without this man. here's The list of the performances Bob Pratt saved List from earlier thread
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 27, 2015 22:30:44 GMT
Lulu at the BBC. There's EASILY enough footage....
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 28, 2015 11:38:26 GMT
Bob Pratt At The BBC - looks like the guy saved enough stuff for a series. He deserves great credit so why not give him and his archive skills a show with an explanation at the beginning.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Oct 28, 2015 13:51:47 GMT
I would love to see a documentary about Bob Pratt. What he saved is amazing yet ive never really seen the story comprehensively covered. I dont even know if hes still alive
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