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Post by Greg H on Oct 3, 2015 21:05:00 GMT
It would be hard to have missed all of the flapping that was going on around the internet if someone had googled something even close :/ and might this situation persuade people to control themselves if we are ever lucky enough to be in a similar situation? Probably not. Shout as loudly as possible - it will definitely aid recoveries. Sigh......
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Post by johnbarbour on Oct 3, 2015 21:38:42 GMT
It's a bit of a conundrum isn't it? The more we discuss and speculate the more chance there is that someone might come forward with something and at the same time the greater the risk that someone will seek financial advantage by holding onto that something. But what we can do I suppose is leave Phil (we seem to have assumed ownership of his name as if we all know him!) - our Indiana Jones of Dr Who - to do whatever it is he has to do without muddying the waters through any rogue action involving individuals or organisations overseas. I just hope that he is able to continue the search and gives us (and other missing TV series) fans even more good news one day.
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Post by John Green on Oct 3, 2015 21:40:14 GMT
I understand that with the recent enthusiasm for CGI reconstructions,interest in the original-black and white!-episodes is now at a very low ebb...
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Post by Greg H on Oct 3, 2015 22:38:17 GMT
It's a bit of a conundrum isn't it? The more we discuss and speculate the more chance there is that someone might come forward with something and at the same time the greater the risk that someone will seek financial advantage by holding onto that something. But what we can do I suppose is leave Phil (we seem to have assumed ownership of his name as if we all know him!) - our Indiana Jones of Dr Who - to do whatever it is he has to do without muddying the waters through any rogue action involving individuals or organisations overseas. I just hope that he is able to continue the search and gives us (and other missing TV series) fans even more good news one day. I would say discussing missing telly is no problem, but the internet rumour frenzy that accompanied the recent recoveries was epically non-constructive. I don't know if it had something to do with the episode 3 situation, but people frenziedly shouting isn't going to help in any way or on any level. We did see a few people acting a bit crazy around the omni-nonsense rumour and very loudly. If someone did hold an episode or two, that sort of frenzy would have booted the price right up I suspect. It's all academic now, I am not that fussed 5 out of 6 is an excellent total for Troughton. Can someone find an episode or two of Fury and an episode of Abominable snowmen towards the end of the serial, 5 or 6, next time please? Thanks guys!
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Post by andyeves on Oct 4, 2015 4:41:54 GMT
While the phrase missing episodes has special meaning to us, I'm wondering if he simply meant episodes that were missing from phils order. I'm curious if phil actually rechecked the station in case it was there misfiled It's precisely the use of and the way the words were used which made it obvious he knew exactly what 'missing episodes' actually are. Possibly he knew from reading this very forum by doing a simple google search. As for your final comment, Philip isn't someone that leaves loose ends. Paul Indeed. That's something that is very evident from Phil's Q&A session, that he leaves no stone unturned, following up on absolutely everything. Couple of other bits that were highlighted from this Q&A session: 1) In Steve Roberts' post-restoration interview a couple of years ago, he intimated that this is a commercial enterprise that Phil is running, and he'll make money out of it. However, Phil said he is doing it all for free. 2) Had this hands-on exercise been performed 20 years earlier, it could have potentially recovered a great many more missing episodes across-the-board (not only DW)
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Post by Jim Exley on Oct 4, 2015 8:19:35 GMT
(1) I don't think the commercial bit is a discrepancy, I have always read it that the core business is assisting these archives with their own material, and the recovery of UK material is incidental - so it isn't a conundrum that the repatriation of material to the UK is a non-profit exercise.
(2) Unfortunately I reckon this could be right on the nail.
Much as I would like to know/see what's been recovered thus far, I recognise the need for Mr Morris to go about his business, and given recent information I understand his reasons even more fully! Rumours have always been with us, I don't remember a year passing without one, but the recent ones have descended to ad-hominem stuff which really isn't right.
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Post by andyeves on Oct 4, 2015 9:32:22 GMT
Thanks for your take on that, although I have just listened to Steve's interview again and he does say “If Phil has found more DW, he has to monetarise his investment at some point and the only way he can do that is through the BBC.”
I envisaged that Phil offered his services to the overseas TV stations/archives for free, and that's how he'd gain an open door. (Not sure how many of these would be willing to pay for his service.) This being so, I thought he'd make his money on those episodes he is able to repatriate.
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Post by George D on Oct 4, 2015 14:54:41 GMT
I have always said that if in the 80s, the BBC invested one years salary going to the various stations, it would have paid for itself in saleable shows.
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 5, 2015 2:16:04 GMT
I have always said that if in the 80s, the BBC invested one years salary going to the various stations, it would have paid for itself in saleable shows. That is a possibility. It depends on how much more Phil Morris comes up with.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 5, 2015 7:29:43 GMT
I have always said that if in the 80s, the BBC invested one years salary going to the various stations, it would have paid for itself in saleable shows. That is a possibility. It depends on how much more Phil Morris comes up with. How does it depend on that? PM has nothing to do with that point.
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 5, 2015 8:17:10 GMT
That is a possibility. It depends on how much more Phil Morris comes up with. How does it depend on that? PM has nothing to do with that point. It is a possibility because there are many unknown factors at this point. We do not know the results of Phil's search and the expenses he has incurred up to this point. We also don't know the total extent of how successful the BBC's own search was to recover it's programs in the 80's. The BBC can't make a profit off another networks programming even if they find them. If Phil's expenses can be measured to what would have been spent back then, it is possible that the BBC would have lost money in the 80s if they sent people to search only the stations that bought their programs. If the search would have only been those locations, they wouldn't have found the films because Phil has said that material is not always where it should or is expected to be. Phil's search seems much more thorough than what the BBC attempted. If he has already found all the BBC programming that is out there, then chances are that BBC might have recovered much less on their own if they followed another plan. Sales might not be enough to cover all the expenses if the BBC attempted a much larger search at that time, especially of they would have had limited results.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 5, 2015 9:04:44 GMT
How does it depend on that? PM has nothing to do with that point. It is a possibility because there are many unknown factors at this point. We do not know the results of Phil's search and the expenses he has incurred up to this point. We also don't know the total extent of how successful the BBC's own search was to recover it's programs in the 80's. The BBC can't make a profit off another networks programming even if they find them. If Phil's expenses can be measured to what would have been spent back then, it is possible that the BBC would have lost money in the 80s if they sent people to search only the stations that bought their programs. If the search would have only been those locations, they wouldn't have found the films because Phil has said that material is not always where it should or is expected to be. Phil's search seems much more thorough than what the BBC attempted. If he has already found all the BBC programming that is out there, then chances are that BBC might have recovered much less on their own if they followed another plan. Sales might not be enough to cover all the expenses if the BBC attempted a much larger search at that time, especially of they would have had limited results. I see your point, however I feel there may be too many unknowns to ever come to a definitive answer.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 5, 2015 9:31:11 GMT
No picture proof seen of the can (Ep 3 ) So what we are told is only his word is it not ?
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 5, 2015 9:57:51 GMT
It is a possibility because there are many unknown factors at this point. We do not know the results of Phil's search and the expenses he has incurred up to this point. We also don't know the total extent of how successful the BBC's own search was to recover it's programs in the 80's. The BBC can't make a profit off another networks programming even if they find them. If Phil's expenses can be measured to what would have been spent back then, it is possible that the BBC would have lost money in the 80s if they sent people to search only the stations that bought their programs. If the search would have only been those locations, they wouldn't have found the films because Phil has said that material is not always where it should or is expected to be. Phil's search seems much more thorough than what the BBC attempted. If he has already found all the BBC programming that is out there, then chances are that BBC might have recovered much less on their own if they followed another plan. Sales might not be enough to cover all the expenses if the BBC attempted a much larger search at that time, especially of they would have had limited results. I see your point, however I feel there may be too many unknowns to ever come to a definitive answer. You are probably right. Information comes out, but it is on a need to know basis. It's been over 3 years since somebody stole part of The Web of Fear, and we just found out about it. Could you imagine the press coverage if this had been reported in 2013 with the find? That station would have been flooded with letters, calls, and emails from extremely upset Doctor Who fans. That manager would have looked incompetent at best, and a suspect at worst to the entire world with the way that film went missing. One thing I found kind of strange is that it is being reported that Phil was giving specifics on which countries he thinks the missing episode is in. Is that information something that we needed to know? If he is on the trail of the episode, I thought he might want to keep that secret while he was looking for episode 3 of The Web of Fear. Oh, well, I guess there is a chance that maybe the information might result in more leads, or maybe he is talking about it because he might think it's gone for good. I hope it will turn up, but I have a bad feeling about this.
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Post by Paul G on Oct 5, 2015 14:08:46 GMT
No picture proof seen of the can (Ep 3 ) So what we are told is only his word is it not ? Well, based on Paul V's earlier post that would imply it's a lie Philip Morris has been constructing for about 3 years. What would be the point?
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