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Post by John Wall on Sept 29, 2015 12:59:05 GMT
Stephen j. Walker, i agree ! I find this tale a very tall one ! Just absurd !!!! Just to be absolutely clear, I am certain Phil is telling the truth about episode three disappearing from the station after his initial find of the two missing stories. It is just his theory that it ended up in the hands of a private collector that I am sceptical about. I am usually considered a very optimistic person, but in this case, I'm afraid I'm rather pessimistic. I think the most likely scenario is that the episode was destroyed, either deliberately or by accident - through some mishap or, perhaps, in the subsequent fire at the station. He's spent almost two years trying to track it down - give him the credit for that !
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Post by shellyharman67 on Sept 29, 2015 13:00:58 GMT
Stephen j. Walker, i agree ! I find this tale a very tall one ! Just absurd !!!! Just to be absolutely clear, I am certain Phil is telling the truth about episode three disappearing from the station after his initial find of the two missing stories. It is just his theory that it ended up in the hands of a private collector that I am sceptical about. I am usually considered a very optimistic person, but in this case, I'm afraid I'm rather pessimistic. I think the most likely scenario is that the episode was destroyed, either deliberately or by accident - through some mishap or, perhaps, in the subsequent fire at the station. We will never know the real truth as none of us were there. But i feel there is just something not quiet right here.
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Post by John Green on Sept 29, 2015 13:02:07 GMT
John, first it was NOT THERE ! NOW THIS I think we have been told not quiet the truth When, after six months negotiating, he went to collect the cans there were only eleven rather than the twelve he'd seen before. Was his wording a literal "When they were recovered,that was all there were on the shelf"? We needn't be looking at a lifelong hoarder,but somebody speculating in futures.Suppose you know that person X is involved in the TV industry,and has a dozen-odd missing episodes? Suppose that you could only afford one,which you wanted for investment purposes.Which would you have gone for? If at any time an episode 3 came up for auction,by what means could its provenance be established? I'd guess it would be out of its can.Remember the First Folio which was taken from a library,and was offered for re-sale with the awkward pages-the ones with library stamps-removed? www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/09/raymond-scott-stolen-shakespeare-first-folio I think we need to make it clear that episode 3,returned by whoever is caring for it,would be welcomed back with no questions asked,but many thanks.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 29, 2015 13:05:56 GMT
When, after six months negotiating, he went to collect the cans there were only eleven rather than the twelve he'd seen before. Was his wording a literal "When they were recovered,that was all there were on the shelf"? We needn't be looking at a lifelong hoarder,but somebody speculating in futures.Suppose you know that person X is involved in the TV industry,and has a dozen-odd missing episodes? Suppose that you could only afford one,which you wanted for investment purposes.Which would you have gone for? If at any time an episode 3 came up for auction,by what means could its provenance be established? I'd guess it would be out of its can.Remember the First Folio which was taken from a library,and was offered for re-sale with the awkward pages-the ones with library stamps-removed? www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/09/raymond-scott-stolen-shakespeare-first-folio I think we need to make it clear that episode 3,returned by whoever is caring for it,would be welcomed back with no questions asked,but many thanks. Is it being "cared for" ? IMHO it desperately needs to get into the hands of someone like Paul!
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Post by John Green on Sept 29, 2015 13:31:53 GMT
I agree,John,but if someone was holding a baby over a balcony,I'd tell them that they really had been a good mother,but it was time to hand sonny over!
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Post by Richard Develyn on Sept 29, 2015 13:41:28 GMT
I think the most likely scenario is that the episode was destroyed, either deliberately or by accident - through some mishap or, perhaps, in the subsequent fire at the station. Although that may have been the case we might as well assume it still exists. It's the best lead on a missing episode that we have (unless someone knows better). Richard
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Post by Stephen James Walker on Sept 29, 2015 13:43:30 GMT
Just to be absolutely clear, I am certain Phil is telling the truth about episode three disappearing from the station after his initial find of the two missing stories. It is just his theory that it ended up in the hands of a private collector that I am sceptical about. I am usually considered a very optimistic person, but in this case, I'm afraid I'm rather pessimistic. I think the most likely scenario is that the episode was destroyed, either deliberately or by accident - through some mishap or, perhaps, in the subsequent fire at the station. He's spent almost two years trying to track it down - give him the credit for that ! I give Phil huge credit for all his efforts. Even if no further episodes are ever returned to the BBC (which I doubt), Phil will always be a hero to me, for the nine he's already recovered.
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Post by Stephen James Walker on Sept 29, 2015 13:44:12 GMT
I think the most likely scenario is that the episode was destroyed, either deliberately or by accident - through some mishap or, perhaps, in the subsequent fire at the station. Although that may have been the case we might as well assume it still exists. It's the best lead on a missing episode that we have (unless someone knows better). Richard Yes, always live in hope!
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Post by John Wall on Sept 29, 2015 14:26:02 GMT
Although that may have been the case we might as well assume it still exists. It's the best lead on a missing episode that we have (unless someone knows better). Richard Yes, always live in hope! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope,_Derbyshire
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 15:19:42 GMT
If you wish to hear the audios of Phil Morris' three sessions from the weekend look on page 1717 of Planet Mondas.
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Post by John Green on Sept 29, 2015 16:31:12 GMT
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Post by Daniel Smith on Sept 29, 2015 18:52:42 GMT
Initially I thought the likelihood of collector possession was unlikely. It's safe to assume that no one at the TV station knew the significance of the find before phil came along. Nigeria being Nigeria there is a lot of corruption on a regular basis, so bribes and extortion are nothing new. They do not have a regulated financial system. So someone taking a tape for financial gain is absolutely believable and realistic.
So why would anyone pinch a tape and then hold on to it unless they wanted to get as much cash for it as possible but when the opportunity came to negotiate, do nothing and keep silent. Unless they'd found a private buyer who paid cash up front no questions asked? Possible I suppose, though still unlikely no one else would hear about it.
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 29, 2015 19:46:45 GMT
Initially I thought the likelihood of collector possession was unlikely. It's safe to assume that no one at the TV station knew the significance of the find before phil came along. Nigeria being Nigeria there is a lot of corruption on a regular basis, so bribes and extortion are nothing new. They do not have a regulated financial system. So someone taking a tape for financial gain is absolutely believable and realistic. So why would anyone pinch a tape and then hold on to it unless they wanted to get as much cash for it as possible but when the opportunity came to negotiate, do nothing and keep silent. Unless they'd found a private buyer who paid cash up front no questions asked? Possible I suppose, though still unlikely no one else would hear about it. Some people might view the item as a status symbol. It is not the money that is important, but just possessing an item that no one else has in the world is what a collector could find gratifying. This type of person only thinks about themselves. All for them, to hell with the rest. Some people just can't be bargained with.
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Post by brianfretwell on Sept 29, 2015 21:58:53 GMT
Trying to be optimistic on this.
1. If the state of the films was such that projecting them could have damaged them. How much could be done to check that the contents of the cans were the same as the label - we know errors have been made at the BBC in this respect. Maybe Ep3 wasn't in that can.
2. We know that visiting Nigeria was said to be dangerous for Phil, wouldn't it have been just as dangerous for anyone else trying to buy the film? So who would have done this? A local on commission or someone at the station would seem to be the best bet... (not sure where I'm going with this one I need to sleep on it)
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