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Post by RWels on May 15, 2014 19:30:30 GMT
Missing footage from a 1954 episode of Animal, Vegetable, Mineral? recovered in an American quiz show. Last year the BBC website had a theme called Archaeology at the BBC. Part of the programs available online was the earliest (1954) surviving episode of Animal, vegetable, mineral?. As an amateur archaeologist I knew this show from the highly amusing "Bluffer's guide to archaeology" and also I had seen a few spoofs made years later, testifying to its fame, so I checked it out. It didn't quite live up to its reputation, but... If you look carefully the 1954 episode has been cut at (using the iplayer file) 00:26, 04:17, 05,32, 18:33, and 20:00 (most noticably the introduction of the panel, and of one of the mystery items). It should have been 30 minutes instead of 25. So where did that footage go? Well, here, in the CBS show What in the world. This show "What in the world" is the US original of AVM?, and this episode was made to match the British one by using the same objects and... clips from the BBC show. These clips fit like a jigsaw, even completing sentences. Seems they were cut directly from the telerecording. (They might even be the reason for its existance.) Nearly 4 minutes can be reinstated, all found with the help of online sources. On the downside, the opening is still incomplete, and the quality of the missing bits is decidely lower, to say the least. The Pennsylvania University / Museum does not have the film inserts that were used (I checked), and it would be extremely lucky if those were still around at CBS.
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Post by David Buck on May 15, 2014 22:54:43 GMT
now that's proper detective work - well done on finding this material, with something of that vintage I'd hope the Beeb would take an interest in having a patched together copy for reference purposes at least.
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Post by RWels on May 15, 2014 23:38:59 GMT
Thanks - I'll never catch up with some other people here though! Nevertheless I was a little bit proud to find out all by myself. I believe that CBS is not really open for public enquiries so I hope the BBC will follow up my suggestion. As a matter of fact they hadn't noticed the cuts and had this one listed as complete (not all the cuts are obvious, given that it's such an old show). I believe there is a 4th edition too, but that is mute.
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Post by John Green on May 15, 2014 23:45:34 GMT
Very nice.Very,very,nice. Mind you,I'm still scratching my head...
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Post by RWels on May 18, 2014 10:11:46 GMT
Mind you,I'm still scratching my head... What about?
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Post by John Green on May 18, 2014 12:12:47 GMT
Mind you,I'm still scratching my head... What about? Sorry,R.It was just a little self-deprecating comment about the ingenuity and erudition you'd displayed.
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Post by RWels on May 18, 2014 15:26:51 GMT
Ohw right. Stroke of luck, really. Besides, erudition is not always genuine: The "Bluffer's guide to archaeology" booklet that I mentioned claims that Mortimer Wheeler habitually cheated by scouting ahead at the next location to find out which items were likely to feature in upcoming shows.
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Post by John Green on May 18, 2014 15:49:14 GMT
Ah.You did mean the actual Bluffers' Guide books.Haven't read that one,but I have seen every episode of 'Time Team'...I suppose that AVM would these days be called WTF? At least AVM was a more interesting,although old-fashioned,title than the US one.Wasn't there a radio version for years? I've been looking up the short-run US show 'Twenty Questions' and within two minutes via 'The Twenty Questions Murder Mystery' ended up at a list of 'N.T.A. shorts' which included the previously-elusive 'Kiss the Bride Goodbye'! cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/search?searchArg=Kiss%20the%20bride%20goodbye.&searchCode=TALL&searchType=1 Do you R.,or anyone else know if any of the other titles on the list (if the link still works) are of interest.
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Post by RWels on May 18, 2014 19:13:59 GMT
The archaeology installment of "the bluffer's guide" is really well written, it combines humour with truth, making fun of a few of that discipline's weaknesses. The US edition had one episode with Vincent Price as a guest. He didn't do too badly either. It's on archive.org for those who want it. The radio show your refer to - Wasn't that the Brain Trust or something? One of the panel is referenced in the "exploding penguin" Monty Python sketch... I wonder if any AVM? episodes were sent to their hosting musea.
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Post by John Green on May 18, 2014 19:27:42 GMT
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