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Post by Al Mancuso on Mar 7, 2014 19:50:08 GMT
I keep reading things on numerous boards, including this one about Invasion of the Dinosaurs being lost, or hoping its still found. Yet I saw it on tv in the 80's, own it on DVD now with that episode available in b/w and color, so what's the deal? How is it "still lost"? Hi Mike, what you probably saw was episode 2 retitled as episode 1. It was shown sans Ep1 as a 5 parter. Al.
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Post by pelham cort on Mar 7, 2014 20:24:39 GMT
If someone is going to tackle a full episode like dino 1, a hd original should be supplied tothem so the results could be used in a future dvd I'm very thankful moe was done. I would love to work on part 1 of dinosaurs(even though it would take a long time,due to getting the colours to match the colour tapes of the later ones).but then again it could be quick for three people to colourise it like me,Richard tipple and justin Watson working on different shots. I have pity for Stuart doing part 1 of mind of evil on his own so I think he needs a break for a while.
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Post by simonashby on Mar 8, 2014 2:29:00 GMT
If someone is going to tackle a full episode like dino 1, a hd original should be supplied tothem so the results could be used in a future dvd I'm very thankful moe was done. I would love to work on part 1 of dinosaurs(even though it would take a long time,due to getting the colours to match the colour tapes of the later ones).but then again it could be quick for three people to colourise it like me,Richard tipple and justin Watson working on different shots. I have pity for Stuart doing part 1 of mind of evil on his own so I think he needs a break for a while. In terms of consistency any amateur attempt split between different people isn't going to cut it.
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Post by Darren Jones on Mar 8, 2014 3:16:13 GMT
Personally, watching the whole of IotD in B&W makes the effects look slightly better!
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Post by mikeberke on Mar 8, 2014 8:00:22 GMT
Thanks for the response to my initial question, now one more follow up: What are chroma dots?
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Mar 8, 2014 8:48:31 GMT
When the film recordings were made, if the colour subcarrier wasn't filtered out, the colour information manifested itself as visible dots in the picture. Some very clever people were able to come up with a method of decoding the dots and restoring the colour signal. A number of different programmes have been restored with varying degrees of success. You can read about the process here: www.purpleville.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rtwebsite/DalekWarDVD.htm
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Post by peterconvery on Apr 16, 2014 9:23:58 GMT
Certainly sounds interesting. I've always wanted to give it a go and I've been meaning to get a new hobby for a while. How about a skype lesson?! You'll need the footage you want to work on, Adobe After Effects and a bit of patience!
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Post by peterconvery on Apr 16, 2014 9:27:52 GMT
Certainly sounds interesting. I've always wanted to give it a go and I've been meaning to get a new hobby for a while. How about a skype lesson?! You'll need the footage you want to work on, Adobe After Effects and a bit of patience!
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Post by peterconvery on Apr 16, 2014 9:37:50 GMT
Sorry, First time poster here and still trying to get to grips with it!
Richard, a Skype lesson I would be interested in, as I am currently completing an Adobe photoshop course with the intent to re-colourise B&W episodes. Also, have you heard of Dis-Art at all? Seems like its still in development, but will speed up the process, not sure how the quality compares to Photoshop though.
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Post by pelham cort on Apr 16, 2014 10:27:54 GMT
Sorry, First time poster here and still trying to get to grips with it! Richard, a Skype lesson I would be interested in, as I am currently completing an Adobe photoshop course with the intent to re-colourise B&W episodes. Also, have you heard of Dis-Art at all? Seems like its still in development, but will speed up the process, not sure how the quality compares to Photoshop though. I heard of DISART. I was in fact one of the beta testers of DISART. I coloured a short clip from invasion of the dinosaurs(the scene where the doctor says "will you please tell me what's happening." Then done it again in adobe after effects cs6 trial. There are also a lot of colourisation tutorials on YouTube so you can look them up and on google. My freind Greg Joseph said that he has other things to do but he will get back on developing DISART.
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Post by peterconvery on Apr 16, 2014 11:34:36 GMT
Hello Pelham, comparing DISART to adobe, which is the easier to work with? From what information I can gather, it seems that using DISART will recolour larger segments of footage than CS6, which is still frame by frame and then reconstructing in after effects. And is DISART available, or is it still with the programmers?
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Post by Richard Tipple on Apr 16, 2014 16:53:52 GMT
I would love to work on part 1 of dinosaurs(even though it would take a long time,due to getting the colours to match the colour tapes of the later ones).but then again it could be quick for three people to colourise it like me,Richard tipple and justin Watson working on different shots. I have pity for Stuart doing part 1 of mind of evil on his own so I think he needs a break for a while. In terms of consistency any amateur attempt split between different people isn't going to cut it. Watch this space. An 'amateur' attempt that uses industry professional editors and graphic designers may just surprise you.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Apr 16, 2014 17:00:06 GMT
Sorry, First time poster here and still trying to get to grips with it! Richard, a Skype lesson I would be interested in, as I am currently completing an Adobe photoshop course with the intent to re-colourise B&W episodes. Also, have you heard of Dis-Art at all? Seems like its still in development, but will speed up the process, not sure how the quality compares to Photoshop though. Hi Peter, Always happy to help! Feel free to PM me with any questions and I'll help any way I can. Personally I don't think Dis-Art is up to scratch yet. I prefer doing it the old fashioned way. It takes longer but the results are more consistent and on the whole of a better standard. I'm currently colourising an entire Hartnell episode, I've expanded my techniques and built on previous learnings. I've also taken on some sage advise from posters on here. I'm 13% in and VERY happy with the results so far.
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Post by Alex Dering on Apr 18, 2014 2:11:53 GMT
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Post by Simon Collis on Apr 21, 2014 12:14:33 GMT
Yes, Alex, it is possible, but the algorithms involved would be fiercely complex. I'm used to writing things that are horrendously complicated and I wouldn't touch this job with a bargepole. It also doesn't alter the fact that you'd have to spend a lot of time (and therefore a lot of money) on doing this to achieve probably not much better quality than we have now. I've just finished reading Malcolm Hulke's novelisation, and the dinosaurs were probably better in my head anyway
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