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Post by Peter Prentice on Mar 9, 2014 10:40:39 GMT
Does the VHS release therefore have a longer duration? And were they highlights in the accepted sense? It has always looked to me as though two or three sections of the game were edited out in blocks.
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Post by garyp on Mar 10, 2014 19:33:48 GMT
Hi,
I would like to say thank you to everyone who took the time to reply to my questions re the cup finals of the 60's/70's.I am more informed now of what happened to the video taped ones and what now remains........thank you everone. Gary can i ask you a question?, you say a lot of the STV footage was, by your understanding destroyed in a fire in the 70's, would you know if bbc scotland's archive re football is extensive or are you not sure what the situation is.
Thank you :-)
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Post by garyfreeman on Mar 11, 2014 16:03:30 GMT
hi Gary, I understand that STV archive was decimated in about 1973/4. The archive was stored in a disused cinema and was destroyed in a fire. I'm really sorry but i can throw any light on the BBC Scotland archive . But there does seem to be quite a bit of old Scotish football on youtube, which i always think is a good clue to the archive holding. Another indicator is if any clips from old games are shown on scotsport or regional programs. You can always send the BBC an email asking your question. rgds Gary
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Mar 11, 2014 20:05:00 GMT
The fire was at the then STV studios in the Theatre Royal in Glasgow in 1969. I have never been able to confirm if the archive suffered as a result of the fire or not. Some reports say the blaze was in a part of the building away from the library and the entire building was not destroyed. STV and BBC Scotland had similar archiving polices in the 1960s/70s. Both football archives are sporadic. Few complete editions from the early days of Scotsport exist simply because the show went out live and was not recorded. Sportsreel does have some complete programmes archived. STV do have a number of match highlights from Scotsport as they had been edited into insert reels which were later destroyed - but not completely as the goals were often retained. Both broadcasters have a number of compilation tapes of goals & interviews available. I know of one former STV producer who came accross a skip full of edited matches ready for the dump which he managed to save some of - but not all. These were then transferred to a digital format. I once asked him if he could remember anyone taking films home after broadcast and his answer was "all the time." As far as Scottish Cup Finals go only 1955 and 1957 were shown live until it was an annual event from 1977 onwards. I believe the 1955 game exists complete at the BBC. At STV certainly the 1980 Cup Final exists complete and definitely 1982. Highlights of Scottish Cup Finals that I know to be preserved are - 1961 STV 1962 STV 1964 STV 1965 STV 1968 STV 1969 BBC 1970 BBC 1971 replay BBC 1972 BBC 1974 BBC 1977 BBC and STV
Existing Scottish League Cup Finals highlights -
1956 BBC 1964 STV 1965 STV 1967 STV 1971 BBC (black & white) and STV (colour) 1972 BBC (colour) & STV (b&w) 1974 BBC & STV 1975 BBC 1979 STV 1980 BBC
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Post by Peter Prentice on Apr 6, 2015 10:45:10 GMT
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Post by Alan Turrell on Apr 6, 2015 11:42:45 GMT
Thanks for posting this Peter i've always wanted to see this in it's entirety .
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Post by markjhaley on Nov 29, 2016 11:53:54 GMT
Peter, as I understand it the version of the 1966 World Cup Final on DVD has a shorter than expected running time as they edited out moments when the ball was 'out of play'. Goal kicks, corners maybe injuries. I suppose it gives you a rough idea of how many minutes the ball is actually in play.
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Post by Peter Prentice on Dec 7, 2016 16:17:28 GMT
Peter, as I understand it the version of the 1966 World Cup Final on DVD has a shorter than expected running time as they edited out moments when the ball was 'out of play'. Goal kicks, corners maybe injuries. I suppose it gives you a rough idea of how many minutes the ball is actually in play. It's missing a good deal more than that, Mark, as I outline in the following article: thefootballattic.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/englands-elusive-missing-moments-1966.html
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Post by steveslater1987 on Oct 2, 2017 1:43:58 GMT
Regarding the archive status of FA Cup Finals from the 1960s I think you should not look too hard for a coherent strategy from the BBC. Without doubt all FA Cup finals in the 60s were videotaped originally but all of the b/w ones were subsequently transferred to film ,apart from the 1965 game. Why it survives on the original VT is probably a lucky accident of fate. Re 1966 World Cup ,again a bit of pot luck what got presereved on original VT and what was transferred to film and then wiped. ITV even wiped their VT of the final and as I remember it was commentator Hugh Jones who pleaded with them to at least make a t/r before wiping. Re 1968 European Cup final it does revert to a telerecording for the extra time period ,presumably the VT protion for extra time was wiped long before the BBC had any idea that they would be able to commercially recycle the whole match to the general population. I have though seen a VT version of the extra time goals from the ITV broadcast that night. Hi Paul, came across your post here... very interesting, and yes, no coherent strategy whatsoever. I was the archive producer for the "George Best: All By Himself" feature documentary which showed on BBC earlier this year.. We did a very comprehensive archive trawl for the 1968 European Cup final, and found that the BBC hold videotape copies up until Extra Time, however Extra Time only exists as a telerecording. ITV Sport however retained a videotape copy of the whole game, although the coverage is ever so slightly different (it looks like BBC and ITV shared some camera angles). For Best's famous goal we actually ended up using the Wolstenholme commentary from the BBC over the (much better quality) ITV Sport pictures.. we also used BBC Radio commentary from Peter Jones which survives, and is much clearer. For the "behind the goal" replay of the Best goal we cut back to the BBC telerecording, because this wasn't on the ITV coverage.. as you may know, the game was also filmed by Pathe and British Movietone Newsreel crews (the former in colour), although sadly all that mainly survives is the edited stories...
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