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Post by Robbie on Sept 11, 2005 22:22:43 GMT
Is there any particular reason why we only get a best of release while the US get a complete box set of every episode?I know that in the mid 70s,as a result of the Pythons court case against ABC,they were awarded full rights over the series evrywhere apart from the UK.I also understand that after 1980 the Pythons rights over the series extended to the UK also.If this is the case,BBC Worldwide's best of release must be under licence from the Pythons.So did they choose to release only a best of or did the Pythons only allow them to release a best of?If this is the case,why would the Pythons only allow a best of in the UK but a full release in the US?
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Post by Geoff Sear on Sept 11, 2005 22:38:26 GMT
There has been quite a delay on a full series UK release, but it is in the pipeline, and it sounds like some care is being taken with it, so it should use the correct versions of the shows (the US one had some re-edited/censored versions I believe) plus some good extras. It does seem to be taking an age, but I've held off from getting the US boxset as when the UK version does eventually emerge it should be much better.
Not sure why we've only had the 'Best Of'' DVDs in the UK thus far, but don't mind waiting if they're going to do a decent job on it.
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Post by Robbie on Sept 11, 2005 22:44:56 GMT
I was on the point of getting the US version.I think I'll wait for the UK release if it's on the way.Thanks for that bit of information.
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Post by RWels on Sept 11, 2005 22:47:08 GMT
I am not a copyright expert, but I believe if you use stock footage or material in any way belonging to someone else, it has to be cleared with the owner.
A notorious example is the deleting of the line "Hello darkness my old friend" in The Young Ones. (And the music video with Cliff Richard wasn't included - though it was pretty obvious bonus material - because that is owned by comic relief and no-one bothered checking if they would mind.)
Another reason may be that the US presents a bigger market, one where Python has always been succesful. So there was more money to be made there. (Like they try today with those Monty Python's ...'s Personal Best DVD's.)
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Post by P Graves on Sept 16, 2005 15:35:50 GMT
...I've held off from getting the US boxset as when the UK version does eventually emerge it should be much better. Although I hope that's the case, I've found that US releases can surpass UK ones on some programmes - compare the US/UK BlackAdder boxsets, for example... |
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Post by David Huggins on Sept 16, 2005 17:49:09 GMT
Hi,
Re: R2 Python DVD release
"There has been quite a delay on a full series UK release, but it is in the pipeline, and it sounds like some care is being taken with it"
That sounds great... is there further information about this planned DVD release online somwhere? I understand that some of the original Python film sequences exist allowing for a re-transfer.
Either way it'd be great to see the programme get a release similar in quality to Network's Goodies DVDs... the show would surely benefit from similar restoration efforts.
Regards,
David.
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Post by RWels on Sept 16, 2005 23:16:11 GMT
...I've held off from getting the US boxset as when the UK version does eventually emerge it should be much better. Although I hope that's the case, I've found that US releases can surpass UK ones on some programmes - compare the US/UK BlackAdder boxsets, for example... It's not that simple. All things on the R1 box set are available on R2 DVD, because the blackadder specials are sold seperately. It's more a matter of there being a lot of possible extra material that would be perfect for a DVD release. But it would take time and effort and stand in the way of selling lots of DVDs to make money quickly. (Sometimes copyrights are an issue, see my example above.) |
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Post by Geoff Sear on Sept 17, 2005 0:57:44 GMT
...I've held off from getting the US boxset as when the UK version does eventually emerge it should be much better. Although I hope that's the case, I've found that US releases can surpass UK ones on some programmes - compare the US/UK BlackAdder boxsets, for example... Ting is, I know that someone with a big Python archive, and who know what's what (someone on this forum I think, indeed), are working with Python Enterprises to make this a good release, whenever it finally appears. The US version used episodes that had been re-edited or censored for various reasons, so I reckon that in this case the UK version will be the one to go for...however, I have no idea when it will actually be released, just that it is work in progress. |
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Post by RWels on Sept 17, 2005 11:41:02 GMT
The present UK compilation DVD set is censored too: the summarise Proust bit has one obvious word cut out (that was previously only muted).
Also, and I hope the person you mentioned reads this, I sincerely hope the set will include at least English subtitles.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Sept 17, 2005 16:54:24 GMT
well i bought a few bmg copies on vhs off ebay; and am very satisfied like to see the correct running order ;D
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Post by P Graves on Sept 17, 2005 22:04:05 GMT
Although I hope that's the case, I've found that US releases can surpass UK ones on some programmes - compare the US/UK BlackAdder boxsets, for example... It's not that simple. All things on the R1 box set are available on R2 DVD, because the blackadder specials are sold seperately. I realise that, but the 'set' is still considerably better - and MUCH cheaper, too. It's more a matter of there being a lot of possible extra material that would be perfect for a DVD release. But it would take time and effort and stand in the way of selling lots of DVDs to make money quickly. (Sometimes copyrights are an issue, see my example above.) Quite, and I agree completely. For example, it would still be nice (sometime) to see the original BlackAdder pilot included in something... The live Python performances would be great, and the BBC 'reunion' special introductions and Peter Sissons "interview" would be particularly nice extras on a UK set - and really shouldn't be affected by tedious copyright issues. Hopefully. |
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Post by P Graves on Sept 17, 2005 22:07:08 GMT
The present UK compilation DVD set is censored too: the summarise Proust bit has one obvious word cut out (that was previously only muted). Do you have any idea if that automatically means that any future compilation will also be this way, or is there still an outside chance...? |
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Post by RWels on Sept 17, 2005 23:03:42 GMT
well i bought a few bmg copies on vhs off ebay; and am very satisfied like to see the correct running order ;D Bmg? |
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Post by RWels on Sept 17, 2005 23:08:59 GMT
The present UK compilation DVD set is censored too: the summarise Proust bit has one obvious word cut out (that was previously only muted). Do you have any idea if that automatically means that any future compilation will also be this way, or is there still an outside chance...? I have no idea, I only know that one of the competitors mentions his hobbies as golf, strangling animals, and m@$turbating. The latter was muted at first, but on the R2 compilation it is now completely cut without a trace. I haven't checked the U.S. set yet, but I would be very surprised if it was there. |
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Post by RWels on Sept 17, 2005 23:21:57 GMT
It's not that simple. All things on the R1 box set are available on R2 DVD, because the blackadder specials are sold seperately. I realise that, but the 'set' is still considerably better - and MUCH cheaper, too. It's more a matter of there being a lot of possible extra material that would be perfect for a DVD release. But it would take time and effort and stand in the way of selling lots of DVDs to make money quickly. (Sometimes copyrights are an issue, see my example above.) Quite, and I agree completely. For example, it would still be nice (sometime) to see the original BlackAdder pilot included in something... The live Python performances would be great, and the BBC 'reunion' special introductions and Peter Sissons "interview" would be particularly nice extras on a UK set - and really shouldn't be affected by tedious copyright issues. Hopefully. The blackadder pilot was considered, but apparently Rowan decided against it. The persistent fan can find an acceptable copy if he really tries. The 1998 interview and 1999 Python night are already available in both R1 and R2. The R1 is the "Monty Python Live" 2 disc set including Live at the Hollywood Bowl and the first of the two German episodes. It's nice but the python night is slightly censored (the sports violence) and the original captions are missing (in the documentaries). The R2 is called "Live at Aspen", it also contains the uncensored Python Night including the captions. But it only plays per sketch and item. It can't play in the original order, so the short sketches connecting the documentary items loose their meaning. But the disc is there, it's not unreleased. (I would like to see the entire Graham Chapman memorial service tape, but I suppose I never will. It isn't strictly Monty Python so it wouldn't be on these discs.) |
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