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Post by Graeme Briscoe on Feb 12, 2014 22:50:15 GMT
Just riled up at time. That's why I stayed away for last night and most of today.
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Post by Graeme Briscoe on Feb 12, 2014 23:08:47 GMT
Hate to double post but bluray came to up 2008 2009 now it 6/7 year later.
Dvd came to prominence 98/99 and was a powerhouse by 01/02 with many shops phasing vhs completely out by 03/04.
Now you go in hmv/ that's entertainment or any of last ones about and bluray ia hardly taking up much valuable square meterage.
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Post by garysrothwellx on Feb 12, 2014 23:36:38 GMT
Issue with VHS to DVD is the same as vinyl or cassette - it was a complete step change in quality and durability, that the majority wanted (audiophiles excepted - and I include myself as a vinyl buyer - but most people). Vinyl excepted, as soon as people knew they could replace cassettes, that was that. same with VHS to DVD. No one mourned the death of video tapes, they were susceptible to damage, not great re-production, etc. etc. Everyone was ready for something better.
Move forward, i recall the "death of CD" when SHCD (or whatever) came out, yes it probably sounded a bit better, but not enough to encourage the masses. Same with Blu-Ray. OK I buy them, but in reality, I am often left wondering how much better they are on a normal sized TV, and only rarely upgrade from DVD to Blu-Ray.
Dr Who execpted, obviously.
I await comments from the "bring back VHS" brigade!
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Post by malcolmostlere on Feb 13, 2014 0:12:32 GMT
Well to me blueray has always been a Betamax format. A johnny come lately format , providing an improved picture but only a relatively few really have the TV equipment to really notice the difference. And simply not worth the extra expense.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Feb 13, 2014 0:24:48 GMT
I'll buy BD over DVD any day of the week. However the above posters are absolutely correct. BD won the battle against HD DVD but lost the war against DVD. Digital download is where it's at. Look at the console wars - PS4 and xbone have both incorporated BD merely due to game install size. M$ was even going to go disc-less except that a large portion of the market may have found it economically unviable to download such large install files. Next gen will be download only. Sales are already tipping in favour of digital distribution.
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Post by simonashby on Feb 13, 2014 0:46:44 GMT
Digital download is where it's at. It's cheaper. It's easier. It's cheaper. It's more convenient. It's cheaper. It's more accessible. It's cheaper. Think of all the shows that aren't considered commercially viable to release on a physical format, but could instead be offered for sale online with relatively little investment - look up 'the long tail'. Most of them are currently sitting or being stored onto a hard-drive somewhere anyway. Well to me blueray has always been a Betamax format. A johnny come lately format , providing an improved picture but only a relatively few really have the TV equipment to really notice the difference. And simply not worth the extra expense. As alluded to before, comparing DVD and Blu Ray is not the same as VHS and Betamax. |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 13, 2014 0:57:50 GMT
Well to me blueray has always been a Betamax format. A johnny come lately format , providing an improved picture but only a relatively few really have the TV equipment to really notice the difference. And simply not worth the extra expense. You do realize that Betamax predated VHS, right? Not sure how that makes Beta a Johnny-come-lately. Not to mention the fact that Bluray players will play DVDs just fine, so choosing one format doesn't lock you out of the other, unlike VHS vs. Beta. |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 13, 2014 1:21:03 GMT
Digital download is where it's at. It's cheaper. It's easier. It's more convenient. It's more accessible. It's cheaper because most digital downloads only provide the feature and not the extras, at least with the classic series on Netflix and Amazon in the US. And then there's the physical copy of the media you don't get. With a download you could lose it in a hard drive crash, or the rights holder could decide to withdraw it and there's nothing you can do about it. I don't want to start an extended argument over the relative merits of downloads vs. discs, but I do want to point out that there are tradeoffs and different people are going to value them differently. Think of all the shows that aren't considered commercially viable to release on a physical format, but could instead be offered for sale online with relatively little investment. I've long dreamed of a service where I pay a monthly access fee to a given studio in order to get complete on-demand access to their library so I could decide to watch random episodes of everything from "The Dukes of Hazzard" to "My Mother the Car" at 3AM on some idle Tuesday. The reality though is that pretty much every show requires contract negotiations for release and residuals to be paid, such that I don't think it's worth the cost of the lawyers to make many low-demand shows available. "Police Surgeon" is a great example -- there's one episode of the series that still exists and the only reason it has visibility is because it's a precursor to "The Avengers", but you'd still have to get the clearances to make it available and the only people who would pay money to watch it are the 25 fans of the Avengers in the whole world who know that Ian Hendry was Geoffrey Brent before he was David Keel. |
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Post by Graeme Briscoe on Feb 13, 2014 8:21:47 GMT
Most people are right with the digital comments only problet is there is still a great proportion that love having the physical item on there shelves.
And the dvd tech has been there for many years just not taken advantage of.
Laser disc was meant to kill vhs just never did I think it was a size thing.
Though mini disc never took over cd
But it did so for people recording.
Betamax vhs war is similair to the hd bluray one and it's good really that bluray won though some will argue hd is better but bluray holds more.
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Post by Paul G on Feb 13, 2014 9:11:16 GMT
I don't think physical media will ever disappear completely. I'd much rather have a physical item rather than the download, and I'll keep resisting iTunes as long as Apple tie its use to their own hardware.
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Post by malcolmostlere on Feb 13, 2014 9:37:51 GMT
Well to me blueray has always been a Betamax format. A johnny come lately format , providing an improved picture but only a relatively few really have the TV equipment to really notice the difference. And simply not worth the extra expense. You do realize that Betamax predated VHS, right? Not sure how that makes Beta a Johnny-come-lately. Not to mention the fact that Bluray players will play DVDs just fine, so choosing one format doesn't lock you out of the other, unlike VHS vs. Beta. Well I have three DVD players all bought before blueray was invented, and ordinary non Blueray players are still cheaper. Like most households I am yet to see any real big advantage in the extra expense in blueray. I did say "to me", as a teenager in the UK it was VHS that I first saw and heard about . If that comes about because it was the first format invented or simply due to poor marketing & the availability of the formats to someone in a small uk town is neither here nor there. It's my perception and who was first on the ground in Japan does not alter it. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 13, 2014 9:44:34 GMT
I remember when star trek the next generation first came out on VHS in the oversized cases from HMV in london. £40 a shot ! And the first who revenge was not cheap either ! Just dont know what else can be done to the range ? Season box sets ?
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Post by John Wall on Feb 13, 2014 12:34:56 GMT
I was very happy to get rid of VHS and replace it with DVD. I had VHS tapes, some prerecorded, that didn't play very well. I gained a lot of shelf space and got a better end result. Dr Who on DVD is far better than on VHS, you get all of the extras, options, etc. I'm not sure about bluray yet - I've got a 32" TV and I don't know if the bluray "Spearhead" would be better ?
Complete seasons on one disc might be interesting - it would enable a shuffling of the extras, some of which aren't really with the right story, but I'm unsure if all the episodes and extras would fit on one disc ?
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 13, 2014 13:24:27 GMT
I've been tempted by Blu-ray but there doesn't seem to be a model that can record at a decent price.
I have a DVD recorder for things I want to keep & an HD hard disc recorder for "watch once & wipe" duties.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 13, 2014 20:00:29 GMT
I've been tempted by Blu-ray but there doesn't seem to be a model that can record at a decent price. I have a DVD recorder for things I want to keep & an HD hard disc recorder for "watch once & wipe" duties. My fear is if blu ray did take over, something else would come along and take its place as well ! |
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