Invasion of the Dinosaurs:1

[Robert Lia]

Hopefully some day we will get an improved color version of episode 1

[johnnyharley]

They should have hired Mr.Humphyres to do it!

[Paul G]

Jul 18, 2014 11:31:01 GMT johnnyharley said:

They should have hired Mr.Humphyres to do it!

Was he free?

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

[Matthew Kurth]

Jul 17, 2014 19:39:36 GMT martinjwills said:

Jul 17, 2014 17:59:15 GMT johnnyharley said:

Why is the colourised Invasion of The Dinosaurs part one so weak as compared to Mind of Evil and Planet of The Daleks part three may I ask?

There was no Blue Chroma dots on the film recording from memory, so the blue had to be added by hand/computer.

My understanding is that all the other Pertwee episodes leveraging chroma dot recovery were sourced from the original 16mm negatives or a high-quality print struck directly from the negative.

In the case of Dinosaurs:1 the source was a returned print originally struck in 1974 which had weak reproduction of the chroma dots, so there was less chroma information available to work with.

Theoretically, if a second print or an original negative came to light, the process could be redone with much more satisfactory results.

[johnnyharley]

And the BBC could re-release it and charge us extra bucks again? LoL

[Frank Shailes]

Feb 11, 2014 0:04:49 GMT Rob Moss said:

Urban myth, Keith. I believe the VTs of the Troughton Invasion were wiped before Dinosaurs TXed.

Does anyone have the actual dates that the Troughton "The Invasion" episodes were wiped? Although I own three copies of "Wiped!" they're inaccessible to me at the moment due to book shelf/crate/room reorganisations. Or disorganisations.

[Richard Bignell]

Mar 25, 2023 15:48:19 GMT Frank Shailes said:

Feb 11, 2014 0:04:49 GMT Rob Moss said:

Urban myth, Keith. I believe the VTs of the Troughton Invasion were wiped before Dinosaurs TXed.

Does anyone have the actual dates that the Troughton "The Invasion" episodes were wiped? Although I own three copies of "Wiped!" they're inaccessible to me at the moment due to book shelf/crate/room reorganisations. Or disorganisations.

All episodes were wiped on 20 May 1971.

[John Wall]

Considering that Yesterday, or Gold, could afford to recolour a couple of Hancocks I’d hope that IotD 1 could be done and combined with the Colour Recovery version we have.

[Frank Shailes]

Mar 25, 2023 16:31:48 GMT Richard Bignell said:

Mar 25, 2023 15:48:19 GMT Frank Shailes said:

Does anyone have the actual dates that the Troughton "The Invasion" episodes were wiped? Although I own three copies of "Wiped!" they're inaccessible to me at the moment due to book shelf/crate/room reorganisations. Or disorganisations.

All episodes were wiped on 20 May 1971.

Thanks, Richard. Long before story WWW was even a gleam in Malcolm Hulke's eye, let alone the dread re-titling hand of Mr Dicks!

[markperry]

Feb 9, 2014 11:24:41 GMT Richard Bignell said:

Invasion of the Dinosaurs, like The Time Warrior, was telerecorded for overseas sale by BBC Enterprises. In fact, it was done twice.

However, by that time, it had become evident that no one was really taking the b/w versions of the Pertwee stories anymore, so the run of telerecordings stopped at this point.

By twice is that referring to the original 3 dates the story was done, twice during those dates or an undocumented date, etc.
broadwcast.org/index.php/Invasion_of_the_Dinosaurs

The other 'cutting copy print' containg the unsed film sequences did that always exist or was recovered.

[stevehoare61]

I remember back in the very early days of the 80s Video days, I was ordering copies of episodes from fans and the majority were coming from ABC in Oz. The first version of Dinosaurs came as a 5 parter and I was quite confused jumping into a story from Part 2, as my memory had fogged a little over the years. Im surprised a Broadcaster would be happy to show a story in this way but thank god they did.

[Richard Bignell]

Mar 27, 2023 0:28:38 GMT markperry said:

By twice is that referring to the original 3 dates the story was done, twice during those dates or an undocumented date, etc.
broadwcast.org/index.php/Invasion_of_the_Dinosaurs

Episode 1 was film recorded on 28 June and 10 July 1974.

[Ed Brown]

Mar 25, 2023 20:06:19 GMT John Wall said:

Considering that Yesterday, or Gold, could afford to recolour a couple of Hancocks I’d hope that IotD 1 could be done and combined with the Colour Recovery version we have.

I would like to ask for clarification.

Some time ago, it was deemed reasonable to pay for Episode 1 of Mind of Evil to be recoloured manually, as no chroma dot telerecording was available, when the DVD release of the story was being prepared.

Why was it considered unreasonable to do the same with Episode 1 of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, an episode which had a head start over Mind of Evil, in that a partially coloured version already existed (thanks to the chroma dot process), whereas only a purely b/w print had been available for colouring Episode 1 of Mind of Evil? What was the over-riding factor that made it economically unviable to restore that single episode of Invasion of the Dinosaurs?

In the case of Dinosaurs, the other 5 episodes were already in colour so no expense was involved. On Mind of Evil, all the other 5 episodes were b/w too, and thus all six episodes needed to be colourised. This suggests that the restoration of Mind of Evil cost six times as much, because all 6 episodes needed colour restoration, whereas only one episode of Dinosaurs needed colour restoration.

The economics don't seem to make sense. Dinosaurs ought to have cost only one-sixth of what the Mind of Evil restoration cost, even if the one episode of Dinosaurs had to be coloured from scratch (i.e. even if it had been fully b/w, which it wasn't).

Obviously I'm missing the point. For BBC Worldwide, it's nearly always about money. Why wasn't it in this case?

[Ed Brown]

Mar 25, 2023 20:06:19 GMT John Wall said:

Considering that Yesterday, or Gold, could afford to recolour a couple of Hancocks I’d hope that IotD 1 could be done and combined with the Colour Recovery version we have.

That's not correct, of course.

The television episodes of Hancock's Half Hour were made in the 1950s, long before the introduction of colour by the BBC in 1967. The BBC held telerecordings of the Hancock episodes in b/w, but the episodes had been made and aired in b/w. Unlike Invasion of the Dinosaurs, the episodes had never been in colour.

So the Hancock episodes weren't being re-coloured.

There were no colour episodes from surviving colour videotapes of other parts of the serial to compare, for reference; probably there were no colour stills photos either, to use for comparison; and no friendly chroma dots lurking on the b/w film negative.

Is it wrong to say that the market for the Hancock tv series is greater than for Dr Who?

Would BBC Worldwide in fact expect a colour Hancock DVD to outsell a colour Pertwee DVD? You can colour-in two half-hour Hancock episodes much more cheaply than colouring in, say, six Hartnell or Troughton episodes: to colourise a typical Sixties Who serial typically involves doing three times as many episodes as those 2 Hancock's Half Hour episodes. At the most favourable, it involves 4 Who episodes, or in other words double the amount of film that colouring two Hancock episodes involves.

Is Dr Who to be a victim of the fact that a tv comedy is complete in itself at only 25 minutes, but a complete Hartnell or Troughton serial typically runs 6 x 25 minutes?

[John Wall]

Mar 29, 2023 2:15:24 GMT Ed Brown said:

Mar 25, 2023 20:06:19 GMT John Wall said:

Considering that Yesterday, or Gold, could afford to recolour a couple of Hancocks I’d hope that IotD 1 could be done and combined with the Colour Recovery version we have.

That's not correct, of course.

The television episodes of Hancock's Half Hour were made in the 1950s, long before the introduction of colour by the BBC in 1967. The BBC held telerecordings of the Hancock episodes in b/w, but the episodes had been made and aired in b/w. Unlike Invasion of the Dinosaurs, the episodes had never been in colour.

So the Hancock episodes weren't being re-coloured.

There were no colour episodes from surviving colour videotapes of other parts of the serial to compare, for reference; probably there were no colour stills photos either, to use for comparison; and no friendly chroma dots lurking on the b/w film negative.

Is it wrong to say that the market for the Hancock tv series is greater than for Dr Who?

Would BBC Worldwide in fact expect a colour Hancock DVD to outsell a colour Pertwee DVD? You can colour-in two half-hour Hancock episodes much more cheaply than colouring in, say, six Hartnell or Troughton episodes: to colourise a typical Sixties Who serial typically involves doing three times as many episodes as those 2 Hancock's Half Hour episodes. At the most favourable, it involves 4 Who episodes, or in other words double the amount of film that colouring two Hancock episodes involves.

Is Dr Who to be a victim of the fact that a tv comedy is complete in itself at only 25 minutes, but a complete Hartnell or Troughton serial typically runs 6 x 25 minutes?

It would have been better to say that the HHHs were coloured.