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Post by G D Peck on Feb 12, 2014 1:58:16 GMT
We have pretty thorough records of the Hartnell/Troughton VT wipings, but I can't recall seeing a list of the wipe dates for Pertwee VTs - are they available anywhere?
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Post by Jeff Haynes on Feb 12, 2014 8:39:34 GMT
Yes it seems there were 2 versions of this story for sale at one point by BBC Worldwide. 6 Parts with the B/W episode 1 and a 5 part full colour version without episode 1. When I was working at TV Centre back in 1999/2000 one of my jobs was Worldwide dubs in the evenings. This story came in for copying on one of these evenings. What they'd supplied was a mixture of D3 tapes and maybe a single 1 inch Enterprises dub made at some point in the past. Because the BBC Enterprises/Worldwide 1 inch tape had come from the 5-part version with all the episodes re-numbered what they'd actually sent were the 6 parts but from different sets, so one episode was missing and another episode was supplied twice due to this re-numbering of episodes. It's a long time ago but I have a feeling the 1 inch tape was episode 2 re-numbered as episode 1, but there was also a D3 of episode 2 (as episode 2). So what I think was missing was the B/w telerecording of the real episode 1. I guess it's possible that someone thought this 1 inch tape was the only colour copy of Episode 1 when in fact it was just another copy of Episode 2. Back in the Chicagoland area we finally got this story on our local PBS station, after a compaign to get them to get a group of Pertwees that they hadn't shown. Of course when shown it didn't contain episode one. When I calld to complain I was told that "no one wanted to see B&W episodes. I was like, "I want to see it" For that same reason they wouldn't get Hartnels or Throughtons for years. |
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Post by keithmchugh on Feb 12, 2014 10:28:44 GMT
It was sold to the ABC in Australia as the shorter 5 part version too.
As the first time I saw this story it was a copy of an ABC transmission in the 1980's.
If I remember correctly after the initial full run of episodes on UK Gold in the early 1990's they went back to Jon Pertwee not William Hartnell for the 2nd run - I guess for the same reason thinking no-one would want to watch the B/W episodes.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 12, 2014 14:54:11 GMT
Back in the Chicagoland area we finally got this story on our local PBS station, after a compaign to get them to get a group of Pertwees that they hadn't shown. Of course when shown it didn't contain episode one. When I calld to complain I was told that "no one wanted to see B&W episodes. I was like, "I want to see it" For that same reason they wouldn't get Hartnels or Throughtons for years. I used to have a recording from a WTTW pledge drive that took place during the B&W showings and Marty Robinson pretty much said point blank he was disappointed in the number of pledges they received, indicating that viewership had in fact dipped during that period. I'll have to see if I still have that tape. |
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Post by George D on Feb 12, 2014 16:01:38 GMT
Im surprised we're no longer seeing classic who syndicated in the usa.
If they showed the remastered with the animation, not only will they generate revenue they will also expose a whole new generation to classic who who might not buy the dvds with a higher quality that will look great
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 12, 2014 21:16:21 GMT
Wiped! says that there were no overseas sales of this story until the early 1980's. True, however all six episodes were sent on 2" PAL colour tape to Australia in 1974, although they rejected the story. The fate of these tapes - like The Dalek's Master Plan viewing prints a decade earlier - is unknown, however it's likely they were junked by the ABC the same year. |
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Post by keithmchugh on Feb 12, 2014 23:02:20 GMT
Then the only hope for a colour copy is a non-broadcast quality dub to either U-matic or Philips N1500. The BBC definately made N1500 dubs of complete programmes for viewing as there's a photo of JNT with a long row of N1500 cassette behind him.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 13, 2014 1:45:53 GMT
Then the only hope for a colour copy is a non-broadcast quality dub to either U-matic or Philips N1500. The BBC definately made N1500 dubs of complete programmes for viewing as there's a photo of JNT with a long row of N1500 cassette behind him. The N1500 may have come out in 1972 but with the cost of the media, if the BBC did have N1500s around in '74 the tapes would certainly have been recycled quickly, and given Barry Letts' feelings about the finished product, I don't see him having kept an extra copy around on any format. Never say never, but sadly I think any tape surfacing from the late Pertwee era that isn't 2" quad is likely to be Shibaden open reel. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 13, 2014 13:15:34 GMT
How many Shibaden reels exist from Dr Who?
I know they were used for editing guides & scoring, but I'm guessing they were mostly wiped, unless a few were spirited away.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 13, 2014 13:21:02 GMT
Agreed that they were most likely wiped, but given that the Shibaden reels were comparatively cheap and rather ubiquitous it seems more likely for one to disappear behind a filing cabinet and not be looked for.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 13, 2014 13:34:24 GMT
Agreed that they were most likely wiped, but given that the Shibaden reels were comparatively cheap and rather ubiquitous Indeed. It's certainly possible that other Shibaden reels could turn up for that very reason. They started to be used on Doctor Who from 'Terror of the Autons' onwards, so while you wouldn't find any missing episodes on them, you probably would find studio footage or unsyphered edits of the episodes. Whether they would be playable or not is another matter. Shibaden recordings can be VERY twichy and it can be very difficult or indeed impossible to get a usable playback. Some of the ones that have appeared on the DVDs are the result of several different playbacks all stitched together to try and get a semi-stable picture. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 13, 2014 18:14:07 GMT
I was thinking there might be some Shibaden footage of scenes lot in editing.
IIRC JNT had a collection of rough edits on domestic tapes, some of which has been used on DVDs.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 13, 2014 21:50:39 GMT
Whether they would be playable or not is another matter. Shibaden recordings can be VERY twichy and it can be very difficult or indeed impossible to get a usable playback. Some of the ones that have appeared on the DVDs are the result of several different playbacks all stitched together to try and get a semi-stable picture.
Having worked with Sony AV-series EIAJ machines I can sympathize. Assuming they use the same tape stock, they seem very prone to sticky-shed. I finally gave in and now 'bake' almost every open reel video tape as a matter of course before I try to play them, which does seem to help. 8 hours in a food dehydrator and 8 hours to rest, and away I go. I was able to salvage several rare recordings from my alma mater's broadcast news department that way.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 17, 2014 17:59:15 GMT
Why is the colourised Invasion of The Dinosaurs part one so weak as compared to Mind of Evil and Planet of The Daleks part three may I ask?
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Post by martinjwills on Jul 17, 2014 19:39:36 GMT
Why is the colourised Invasion of The Dinosaurs part one so weak as compared to Mind of Evil and Planet of The Daleks part three may I ask? There was no Blue Chroma dots on the film recording from memory, so the blue had to be added by hand/computer. |
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