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Post by ajbaker on Nov 20, 2013 13:25:30 GMT
Hello
I'm new so this may have been covered, if so apologies.
As a historian there's something that puzzles me about the Dr Who episode recovery stories.
I can't find anything about the context. In any historical research you need to know about the setting. Sometimes where something is found (e.g. a coin) is more important than the object.
These Who episodes are important historical artefacts whether you are interested in the show or not.
From a historical point of view even a scrap of paper in this vault could be of interest, maybe a piece of a torn label. Fifty feet of local news footage might be important.
I can't find any mention of anything other than the 11 cans of Dr Who.
This suggests a completely empty room with nothing else but those cans. If that was the case it would be worth describing.
Was there anything else? As something of serious historical importance this needs to be explained but I can't even find any sign of the question being asked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 13:32:30 GMT
I expect more will be known when full details of the recovery are officially revealed in the fullness of time. So far they haven't been.
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Post by johnforbes on Nov 20, 2013 16:45:36 GMT
I expect more will be known when full details of the recovery are officially revealed in the fullness of time. So far they haven't been. I seem to recall Paul V saying in 2011 that he would be doing some kind of article on all the countries that had been visited, and saying what had taken place. (or something to that effect) I can't seem to find this whatsoever. Possibly shelved because the results of the visits turned up something very very big, and very very unexpected ? (and I'm not just meaning 11 episodes, as given Nigeria's previous track record of keeping stuff that it wasn't supposed to instead of sending it back, and also of apparently not having a junking policy, it would have been more than just a hunch that those 4 complete stories may well still have been in that building in Jos where they were sent to in the very first place). Even now, after the recent public announcement, when everything is supposedly over, and both the RT/BBC and Phil say they have nothing more, there are still scant details known of the efforts in the various places. It is this apparent cloud of secrecy on all sides which does little to diminish either rumour that is based on fact, rumour that is simply made up, or diminish fans' expectations. In fact, such a cloud enhances fans' expectations. |
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Post by simonashby on Nov 20, 2013 17:20:19 GMT
I can see why secrecy may be necessary, and that it's natural for fans who may not know the finer details of what is actually involved to get hyped up. See one of my old posts on here about ignorance. Sadly some people who do know more about the subject are being somewhat reckless with regards to what they say.
Going back to the original question:
I'd be interested to understand the steps and experiences between the initial queries and actually holding the physical item for the first time. Are there any detailed accounts like this with any other similar recoveries, DW or not?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Nov 20, 2013 22:00:59 GMT
I can't find any mention of anything other than the 11 cans of Dr Who. This suggests a completely empty room with nothing else but those cans. If that was the case it would be worth describing. Was there anything else? As something of serious historical importance this needs to be explained but I can't even find any sign of the question being asked. Phil Morris / T.I.E collects material from around the world and transfers it to a medium that is more stable long term, for countries that don't have the ability to do so themselves. It's likely the rest of the vault either contained more BBC (et al) footage or local material. Most of it is likely unimportant. |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 20, 2013 22:09:41 GMT
I can't find any mention of anything other than the 11 cans of Dr Who. This suggests a completely empty room with nothing else but those cans. If that was the case it would be worth describing. Was there anything else? As something of serious historical importance this needs to be explained but I can't even find any sign of the question being asked. Phil Morris / T.I.E collects material from around the world and transfers it to a medium that is more stable long term, for countries that don't have the ability to do so themselves. It's likely the rest of the vault either contained more BBC (et al) footage or local material. Most of it is likely unimportant. Any duplicates, unless better copies, aren't particularly important. However, I think you may face the wrath of Laurence about other material. I wonder what the coverage of indigenous material is in some archives ? I suspect that, in many cases, it probably went the same way as in the UK  |
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Post by johnforbes on Nov 20, 2013 22:22:14 GMT
Phil Morris / T.I.E collects material from around the world and transfers it to a medium that is more stable long term, for countries that don't have the ability to do so themselves. It's likely the rest of the vault either contained more BBC (et al) footage or local material. Most of it is likely unimportant. Any duplicates, unless better copies, aren't particularly important. However, I think you may face the wrath of Laurence about other material. I wonder what the coverage of indigenous material is in some archives ? I suspect that, in many cases, it probably went the same way as in the UK In the case of Nigeria it's unlikely they junked their own material, since they plainly didn't junk the BBC's. Nigeria is the current home of more recoveries of complete stories, 4, than anywhere else in the world apart from the UK. They even kept at least 5 eps of WoF as well. |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 20, 2013 22:29:37 GMT
I once heard that there is no word for volunteer in Japanese - possibly fiction ! Perhaps there is no word for junk/bin/dump in whatever language they speak in Nigeria  ? |
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Post by Simon Collis on Nov 20, 2013 22:33:01 GMT
I once heard that there is no word for volunteer in Japanese - possibly fiction ! Perhaps there is no word for junk/bin/dump in whatever language they speak in Nigeria ? According to nigeria.gov.ng, English is the official language that everyone speaks (although there are regional languages too). That said, the OED doesn't contain a definition for the word gullible, so there you go... |
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Post by John Wall on Nov 20, 2013 22:43:00 GMT
I once heard that there is no word for volunteer in Japanese - possibly fiction ! Perhaps there is no word for junk/bin/dump in whatever language they speak in Nigeria ? According to nigeria.gov.ng, English is the official language that everyone speaks (although there are regional languages too). That said, the OED doesn't contain a definition for the word gullible, so there you go... Going completely off the topic I'd really like to know what the Nigerians actually made of things like WoF forty years ago ? Perhaps the excellent Mr Bignell might research it for his esteemed organ ? |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 21, 2013 8:08:03 GMT
Considering DW aired on BPTV at 9.15 pm, probably not a lot of people even saw it.
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Post by johnforbes on Nov 21, 2013 8:50:31 GMT
Considering DW aired on BPTV at 9.15 pm, probably not a lot of people even saw it. Someone who saw it must have been suitably impressed to take a liking to ep 3 of WoF plus WIS and TAS, as the Nigerians seem to have a track record of not liking binning stuff. They even kept The Sky At Night |
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