Tom Gratin's War - archive status?

[Steven Sigel]

Anyone know what the archive status of the show "Tom Gratin's War" is ?

[helpful hartley]

you mean the 1968 children's programme?
Yorkshire TV production on color film indicates a very good survival rate.
stick my neck out and say its complete in the archives.

[h hartley]

According to ITN these survive.... looks like its complete?

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE LIGHTHOUSE MYSTERY)      
transmission 09 Nov 1968
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE HERO)      
03 Nov 1968
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (BATTLE AT WEAVER'S LOCK)      
27 Oct 1968

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE SEARCH FOR STAN)
20 Oct 1968

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (TERRIBLE TOWNSENDS)
13 Oct 1968


TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE SECRET BOAT)      
28 Sept 1968

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE WRECKER)
16 Nov 1968

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE FIRE RAISERS)
05 Oct 1968

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (MENACE AT THE MINE)
07 Sept 1968


TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (MONSTER OF STEEL)      
14 Sept 1968
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE NIGHT INTRUDER)      
31 Aug 1968
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE PRISONER)      
21 Sept 1968
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE WATCHER)      
03 Aug 1968

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season 2

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (BLIND MAN'S BLUFF)      
17 Apr 1970
  
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (SKY PATROL)     
03 Jul 1970

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE INVENTOR)      
19 Jun 1970 

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (GHOST OF HOOKEY VALE)      
12 Jun 1970 


TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (PEDDLAR'S RANSOM)     
05 Jun 1970    



TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (SOLDIER FROM MARGHAM)      
29 May 1970    


TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (FIVE MINUTE FUSE)      
22 May 1970
     

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (AN EYE FOR AN EYE)      
15 May 1970
     
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (BADGE OF FEAR)      
08 May 1970
     

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE COWARD)      
01 May 1970
     

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (BRIDGE OF DEATH)      
24 Apr 1970
     
TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (THE WALKING BOMB)      
10 Apr 1970

CONFESSION (YOU AND YOUR OLD GERMAN)
17 Jul 1970

TOM GRATTAN'S WAR (CASTLE OF TERROR)
26 Jun 1970



  



  

[Steven Sigel]

helpful said:

you mean the 1968 children's programme?
Yorkshire TV production on color film indicates a very good survival rate.
stick my neck out and say its complete in the archives.

Thanks! That's the show.. I ran across a 16mm film print of an episode from the series in dire condition and wanted to make sure it wasn't missing before I junked the print...

[H H]

Yorkshire TV was perhaps the best in the UK for archiving its programmes?

BTW
CONFESSION (YOU AND YOUR OLD GERMAN)
17 Jul 1970
is an error/ stray entry and absolutely nothing at all to do with TG's war

[Paul Reid]

H said:

Yorkshire TV was perhaps the best in the UK for archiving its programmes?

That award probably goes to Anglia TV which even holds most of it's b/w output on tape rather than as telerecordings.

Yorkshire TV does hold a very complete archive (apart from a few examples including some entertainment programmes like "Junior Showtime" and "The Sky's the Limit", so do Thames, LWT and Granada - the latter going back at least to the early 60s

[B Thomas]

Yeah - as far as I can remember Granada hold a complete run of Coronation Street, don't they?

I'm not sure if Thames really deserves to be in that list though - they have loads of incomplete series in their archives...

[Paul Reid]

[quote author=B Thomas board=general I'm not sure if Thames really deserves to be in that list though - they have loads of incomplete series in their archives...[/quote]

Not many drama series or plays and soaps - studio or film, sitcoms, major documentaries, childrens drama (except "Ace of Wands") or "star entertainmnent shows" ( Tommy Cooper, Morecambe and Wise etc.) are missing at Thames. I.e. the sorts of major shows that would be kept - I don't expect them to save things like all games shows or Thames Help or even Magpie ..although their post Magpie kids magazines do survive (Blue Peter is very much an exception here)

What sort of programmes are you refering to?

[Laurence Piper]

Paul said:

H said:

Yorkshire TV does hold a very complete archive (apart from a few examples including some entertainment programmes like "Junior Showtime" and "The Sky's the Limit", so do Thames, LWT and Granada - the latter going back at least to the early 60s

They slipped up with a few early things, like the first series of Sez Les and soap Castle Haven - generally Yorkshire are a very good and complete archive though.

[Laurence Piper]

Paul said:

[quote author=B Thomas board=general I'm not sure if Thames really deserves to be in that list though - they have loads of incomplete series in their archives...

Not many drama series or plays and soaps - studio or film, sitcoms, major documentaries, childrens drama (except "Ace of Wands") or "star entertainmnent shows" ( Tommy Cooper, Morecambe and Wise etc.) are missing at Thames. I.e. the sorts of major shows that would be kept - I don't expect them to save things like all games shows or Thames Help or even Magpie ..although their post Magpie kids magazines do survive (Blue Peter is very much an exception here)

What sort of programmes are you refering to?[/quote]

Apart from those instances already mentioned, the first Thames series of Armchair Theatre, some of Callan series 2, some / most of Do Not Adjust Your Set series 2, children's dramas like Sexton Blake, most of the Today programme, episodes of comedies such as Life With Cooper, Horne A Plenty are all / mainly missing. Quite a few other things from Thames' first couple of years are gone too in the drama / comedy / light entertainment fields (leaving out other types of programming here, which have much bigger gaps). They improved from the early '70s onwards but other companies such as Yorkshire are definitely more complete from day one (in 1968) than Thames are.