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Post by Paul Watkins on May 6, 2016 18:11:58 GMT
It's now been several years since these clips were handed over to the BBC's restoration department. Does anyone know if they have been able to create watchable/broadcastable copies from the transfer?
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Post by Alan Turrell on May 6, 2016 20:38:36 GMT
I was thinking the same thing it's been some time now and still we haven't seen anything of these clips although to be honest i'm not really surprised.
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Post by Kev Hunter on May 7, 2016 12:17:29 GMT
There is still nothing that can improve cassettes or tapes either. There was the short lived DCC format - Digital Compact Cassette but it still didn't overcome the big problem with tape - oxide dirt and the stickiness. As I've found too often, no matter how well a tape has been stored for 20 years or so, dirt still builds up making tape transfers a long process where one has to stop every few minutes to clean the heads before continuing, Dodgy tapes are surely the exception, particularly if you're talking cassettes? My home-recorded cassettes, many not big brand names, that date from 1974 through to early 90s, still play perfectly, apart from the REALLY cheap ones which were rubbish right from the start anyway. I listen to them all, in succession, while doing the washing-up : typically each one gets a run out once every 2 years. I HAVE had to loosen screws and replace furry pads from time to time, but don't really have a problem with the magnetic tape itself. I have to clean oxide off the head once every 20 or 30 cassettes, I would guess. I know I'm veering O/T with this but had to share my experience.. sometime in 1978 I bought my first 'proper' stand-alone Sharp cassette deck, and got a twin-pack of no-name brand cassettes from a market stall, ready for that evening's Peel show (I was eagerly awaiting the session by Captain Sensible's new band, King. They turned out to be just ok.) I was poised with my fingers on the record and play buttons, John came on, I pressed down, and "click" - nothing happened, except for an odd squealing and graunching sound for a few seconds and then the two keys popped back up. The f*cking thing had jammed solid, so much so that I couldn't even open the top-loading cassette mechanism, so I had to take the machine into my local Currys (who had sold me it) and explained what had happened. "Cheap bloody tape", the guy told me, and from that moment on I never bought another cut-price anony-brand cassette again. I stuck resolutely to TDKs (the higher AD and SA grades rather than just the more common D's) and the occasional Sony, and I still have scores of the things packed with sessions and the like. To this day not one of them has given me any problems, despite being around 30 - 40 years old now. I keep kidding myself that I'll transfer them all onto digital format one day but in all honesty I probably won't. Likewise I have around 20 VHS videotapes, again all high quality TDKs, that I am transferring onto DVD and not one of those has given me grief either. There's a lesson.
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Post by Paul Watkins on May 7, 2016 17:05:06 GMT
Some of the clips on the reel should be a doddle for the Restoration team, the picture rolls quite a bit but as they were mainly mimed performances it should be easy. Tom Jones would be a challenge and Procol Harum too as it was a live vocal.
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Post by Richard Marple on May 7, 2016 22:37:02 GMT
My Dad mostly bought TDK, Sony & Maxell tapes.
One he tried some Woolworths own ones which weren't up to much.
One Xmas I was given some WH Smiths branded tapes which were OK, I mostly used them to record some chart shows & transferred the links & songs I didn't have elsewhere to my hard drive a few years ago.
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Post by John Smith on May 8, 2016 14:13:59 GMT
These are the tapes that include Dave Davies doing Death of a Clown aren't they or am i confusing them with something else? i seem to remember somebody posted a DVD-R of the timecoded transfer of the Floyd clip too around the time of it's return
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Post by Peter Stirling on May 8, 2016 15:10:43 GMT
This is the Emily Play one but I think this is the BBC remains rather than an amateur optical transfer? .. a rare glimpse of Syd not spaced out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6KXSb6wuJg
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Post by jbuoys on May 8, 2016 19:53:08 GMT
A top brand name does not necessarily guarantee problem-free recordings. Ampex tape manufactured in the 1980s & early 1990s is now shedding oxide like there's no tomorrow; it's a huge industry nightmare.
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Post by John Smith on May 8, 2016 21:22:02 GMT
Tell me about it! have had problems with various makes including AGFA VHS stock from the mid 1980s and N1500/N1700 Agfa too
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Post by Paul Watkins on May 10, 2016 16:00:04 GMT
This is the Emily Play one but I think this is the BBC remains rather than an amateur optical transfer? .. a rare glimpse of Syd not spaced out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6KXSb6wuJgThere are 3 on youtube from these shows, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd and Dave Davies. The Floyd one has been re-dubbed by a fan not the BBC, but ironically the BBC used a clip from the 'fan' copy instead of their 'supposed restored' copy. That's, if they have done one!.
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Post by Dan S on May 11, 2016 18:27:03 GMT
but ironically the BBC used a clip from the 'fan' copy instead of their 'supposed restored' copy. Where did they use it? You mean it was broadcast recently?
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Post by Paul Watkins on May 11, 2016 20:08:03 GMT
but ironically the BBC used a clip from the 'fan' copy instead of their 'supposed restored' copy. Where did they use it? You mean it was broadcast recently? It was used on a BBC4 documentary, can't remember the title off hand but i'm sure someone here does. They only showed a brief clip though
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Post by Kev Hunter on May 11, 2016 21:02:59 GMT
Where did they use it? You mean it was broadcast recently? It was used on a BBC4 documentary, can't remember the title off hand but i'm sure someone here does. They only showed a brief clip though I'm pretty certain that the documentary was "Psychedelic Britannia" which was shown last October.
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Post by Paul Watkins on May 27, 2016 14:52:35 GMT
I'm led to believe that these tapes have just been 'archived' and no work done on them.!
Anyone here care to have a go at improving the Procol Harum performance ,since the beeb can't be bothered.
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Post by Nigel Lees on Jun 8, 2016 12:01:03 GMT
I have a complete off air recording in very good quality of that very same TOTP Procol Harum TOTP appearance, missing first second of song but got the Fluff chat at the end. The Beeb could use that, again if they could be arsed!
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