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Post by Steve Tyler on May 29, 2005 17:29:04 GMT
I have heard several collectors asking such questions as 'Why should I return stuff that was thrown away in the first place?", 'Why should I return stuff if it's not even going to be made commercially available?' and 'Why should I return stuff if they're going to make a profit out of it?' Whilst I have never come across anything that could be considered missing I would return it without requiring justification, as I see it, the archives don't have it and they would be grateful to have a copy, so they can have a copy. Other people have said that they have experienced great difficulty in returning material so cannot be bothered to keep trying.
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Post by Nigel Bland on May 29, 2005 22:46:58 GMT
The answer that most readily springs to mind is that people should return stuff to not be a selfish b*****d - other people would like to see it!
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Post by Steve Tyler on May 29, 2005 23:18:41 GMT
The answer that most readily springs to mind is that people should return stuff to not be a selfish b*****d - other people would like to see it! I agree but to refer you back to one of the questions I quoted, 'What's the point of returning something if it's not going to be released?' Returns that spring to mind that have never been released include Z Cars, Out of the Unknown, Adam Adamant Lives!, Dixon of Dock Green, Doomwatch, and Long Way Home.
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Post by pete seaton on May 30, 2005 0:00:05 GMT
if everyone who had one odd episode of a show returned something, it could be a the odd episode or one that fills a vital gap to releasing an official DVD
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Post by ethantyler on May 30, 2005 0:35:09 GMT
if everyone who had one odd episode of a show returned something, it could be a the odd episode or one that fills a vital gap to releasing an official DVD I wish someone would return the only missing episode of The Long Way Home so that they BBC would finallly release it! Having said that, it's about time they released it anyway, Dixon of Dock Green, Z Cars, Softly, Softly, Steptoe and Son and Adam Adamant Lives too! There is far too much surviving classic television gathering dust in the archives, so I can completely understand collectors being reluctant to return missing material. However, I would plead that they did, if only for other fans who would love to see it.
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Post by ianj on May 30, 2005 20:41:48 GMT
I think that today, in the age of DVD releases, we will see a winding down of b/w recordings being commercially released.....the markets too small, and most of the prints/ v.t. s too poor quality now. Shame, ianj
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 30, 2005 21:26:01 GMT
I think that today, in the age of DVD releases, we will see a winding down of b/w recordings being commercially released.....the markets too small, and most of the prints/ v.t. s too poor quality now. Shame, ianj I would have thought with the relative cheapness of DVD versus VHS we'd be more likely to see more old archive tv coming out in future, not less. Stuart
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Post by ethantyler on May 30, 2005 21:45:59 GMT
I think that today, in the age of DVD releases, we will see a winding down of b/w recordings being commercially released.....the markets too small, and most of the prints/ v.t. s too poor quality now. Shame, ianj I own a few DVDs of films made in 2000 and beyond, the quality of which is drastically worse than the video releases of the black and white Doctor Who episodes (you know, the really awful quality ones)! They're not pirated copies either!
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Post by Wright Blan on May 31, 2005 3:40:12 GMT
I think that today, in the age of DVD releases, we will see a winding down of b/w recordings being commercially released.....the markets too small, and most of the prints/ v.t. s too poor quality now. Shame, ianj I own a few DVDs of films made in 2000 and beyond, the quality of which is drastically worse than the video releases of the black and white Doctor Who episodes (you know, the really awful quality ones)! They're not pirated copies either! Would you care to share with the class which post-2000 films you were talking about, Ethan? Enquiring minds want to know. I also think that therestill is a nice chunk of b&w still out there that hasn't been released yet. "The Addams Family" is one as far as I know is still somewhere in the vaults.
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Post by Ade Gregg on May 31, 2005 8:35:12 GMT
I think what people who have missing prints should do, If they are )rightly) upset about "thier" show never being shown,relesed etc.. what those people could do! well they could have thier prints Properly tranfered to DVD (real transfers not pooy light box rigs or video cameras pointing at screen stuff (thou this would still be welcomed) and "Sell" Them here, not for profit you understand just to recover costs. then the people who would really apreciate them could see them!!! can't understand why a similar system hasent already been set up here before even just for Non released Non Missing stuff. Hell ive downloaded other ppls conversions of rare 60's 70's stuff for YEARS. Telegoons, Tales of mens Shirts - Theams 1968, A Show Called Fred, 1969 Q Epp, RWT, End Of Part One Complete, and thats what i got Last week alone (on a 56k modem no less)Im sure other ppl would like to see this stuff?!?!
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Post by markoates on Jun 17, 2005 0:37:45 GMT
As has arisen on another thread, there's a whole issue of legality that just won't go away and there are enough self-righteous b*stards (who are a lot worse than the ones who won't share their toys), who would only too happily report such trading to the proper authorities and this forum would be history.
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Post by Gareth R on Jun 17, 2005 8:24:28 GMT
I would have thought with the relative cheapness of DVD versus VHS we'd be more likely to see more old archive tv coming out in future, not less. The production cost of the physical media may be lower, but then that's never been the biggest obstacle. Rights clearance is the real problem (and the major cost). The sad truth is that an obscure old B&W programme could cost just as much, if not more to clear than a modern show, and yet not sell a fraction of the numbers.
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Post by Simon Winchester on Jun 18, 2005 0:11:12 GMT
I sense an unwanted urge to placate the interior complex with an perfect action of regret. In 100 years we will all realise the folly of not keeping these old shows. Time will tell. Anything not of much value may be tomorrows gold. There may even be a Raymond Baxter Fan Club in 3010, but I doubt it.
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Post by Wright Blan on Jun 22, 2005 4:28:09 GMT
I sense an unwanted urge to placate the interior complex with an perfect action of regret. In 100 years we will all realise the folly of not keeping these old shows. Time will tell. Anything not of much value may be tomorrows gold. There may even be a Raymond Baxter Fan Club in 3010, but I doubt it. Well hopfully by then they will have figured how to collect old tv signals from outer spac....oh, forget it. I don't reall want to go down that path.
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Jun 22, 2005 7:03:36 GMT
I sense an unwanted urge to placate the interior complex with an perfect action of regret. Damn!, I was going to say that.........
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