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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 9:00:34 GMT
I think the most salient point was Furst's mention that he was receiving royalties for TUM until the 80s. Broadwcast notes that the last known screening of TUM was Zambia in May 1970. If Furst's recollection of the dates is correct, then from what screenings was he receiving royalties? Hi, Well, he may well have been getting payments, but were they from overseas sales? Ian Levine was buying episodes from BBC Enterprises at the time and if he purchased episode 3, Furst would have received a payment (albeit a small one) for that sale. If extracts were used in documentaries or as an illustrative clip in another programme, Furst would have been paid. This is a far more likely scenario that payments for an overseas sale into the 1980's. Regards, Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 9:04:06 GMT
Paul, Thank you for the above reply. Re the below post by yourself: "One of the skip companies bosses (who used to drive the truck) was a fan of some of the programmes he was throwing away and kept back some of the films, including some episodes of 'Dad's Army'. He kept these until his death in the late 1990's, after which his widow put them up for sale. I missed them by a few days; they were bought for cash and disappeared into a film collection somewhere". Are you referring to Operation Kilt and The Battle for Godfrey's Cottage or some/all of the missing three Dad's Army episodes? The episodes he saved could have been any that were film recorded and thrown out of BBC Enterprises. I don't have any titles...
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 9:05:39 GMT
It's funny you should say that. I don't post often but I've wondered if anyone has sent a friendly letter to ex-BBC staff from those times asking for leads. That would surely bring in some interesting tales of film going missing at least... and maybe some valuable information? Done, several times. The last one did turn up a great many missing audio material and a couple of missing programmes... Paul
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Post by Charles Norton on Sept 26, 2012 9:30:10 GMT
BBC sound supervisors are often quite known for hoarding things and a lot of material has turned up via that route. However, they wouldn't have any missing film, just audio tapes. As far as I know, most of the sound supervisors from Doctor Who in the sixties and seventies have now been contacted anyway. Adrian Bishop Laggett and Edward Brandon were probably the best ones and had loads of stuff, but no Doctor Who.
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Sept 26, 2012 10:21:47 GMT
Well, he may well have been getting payments, but were they from overseas sales? Ian Levine was buying episodes from BBC Enterprises at the time and if he purchased episode 3, Furst would have received a payment (albeit a small one) for that sale. If extracts were used in documentaries or as an illustrative clip in another programme, Furst would have been paid. This is a far more likely scenario that payments for an overseas sale into the 1980's. One other thing to bear in mind. When paying royalties, the BBC generally don't send out a cheque to an actor or writer or whoever as soon as a payment comes into the BBC from an overseas sale or DVD release or whatever. Instead, they wait until the funds received hit a pre-agreed amount, and then send out a single 'bulk' payment. Otherwise, they would be forever sending out cheques for a few pence every other day. Just because Furst *may* have received a payment for 'Underwater Menace' comparatively recently, it may well have related to a sale years and years earlier... Or it may not even have related to an overseas sale of the whole story. It could have been a payment for the release of 'Ep 3' on VHS in 1997, or for the soundtrack CD 'missing stories' release from whenever that came out... Regards, Richard
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Post by Ash Stewart on Sept 26, 2012 11:18:47 GMT
Some very interesting replies there. Just for the record the exact words used in the article are as follows;
Certainly the mentions above in respect of Ian buying a copy, and of the convention screening make sense, and realistically are the most likely explanations aren't they?
What can be ruled out is the VHS/CD releases as the article predates these releases.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 26, 2012 14:32:01 GMT
Yes, I see on the Urban Dictionary that "Outer Mongolia" is defined like that. It's not a phrase I'm familiar with. Likely going out of use the more Mongolia is becoming modernized.
I suppose that the revelation of Sierra Leone playing missing Hartnell serials in the 80s made me wonder if missing Troughtons could've been played at that time somewhere in this world.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 26, 2012 16:20:51 GMT
There has been a story about a school teacher in Australia, New Zealand or some out of the way place showing The Macra Terror to some school kids. As most people know their year of birth it should be possible to tie this down to within a couple of years. The school probably has a website meaning that it should be possible to make contact. Or this has been investigated and it concluded that it's just a myth ?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 16:33:22 GMT
There has been a story about a school teacher in Australia, New Zealand or some out of the way place showing The Macra Terror to some school kids. As most people know their year of birth it should be possible to tie this down to within a couple of years. The school probably has a website meaning that it should be possible to make contact. Or this has been investigated and it concluded that it's just a myth ? No, it's true. I believe Jon Preddle was there and watched it...
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Post by Stephen Neve on Sept 26, 2012 16:40:12 GMT
Sounds like the sort who might want something unique. Sounds like he knows exactly what he has.. I wonder if this collector who brought all those films from the widow of the skip boss is the same guy who put an advertisment in a local paper in my area about 8-10 years ago offering original BBC films for sale. I did make contact with the person in the hope he may have had a Doctor Who print, he claimed just to have a whole load of Dads Army prints.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 16:46:34 GMT
It will have been the same guy. It's a shame you didn't buy the Dad's Army films... :-)
The batch could have included two of the lost ones. He had other things as well, one of which was most likely a lost programme (Oh, Brother).
Paul
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Post by Stephen Neve on Sept 26, 2012 17:04:00 GMT
It will have been the same guy. It's a shame you didn't buy the Dad's Army films... :-) The batch could have included two of the lost ones. He had other things as well, one of which was most likely a lost programme (Oh, Brother). Paul I did not get a chance. I replied to the ad on the day it appeared in the local paper. I spent all day on and off trying to get hold of him on a mobile telephone number. I got through to him in the evening and asked him polietly if he had any doctor who. He said he just had dads army and then claimed he had earlier binned the films due to lack of interest and then hung up. Those films could still be out there Paul? The whole thing smelt of private deal done, as far as I was concerned at the time. I don't belive for one moment he binned those films.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 26, 2012 17:16:57 GMT
There has been a story about a school teacher in Australia, New Zealand or some out of the way place showing The Macra Terror to some school kids. As most people know their year of birth it should be possible to tie this down to within a couple of years. The school probably has a website meaning that it should be possible to make contact. Or this has been investigated and it concluded that it's just a myth ? That was Neil Lambess in New Zealand, who was one of those responsible for getting The Lion back and I believe Neil himself has checked it out. He spoke about it on this forum in 2008: "In the 1970s i saw 2 Macra Terror episodes projected from 16mm at a cancelled school sports day in Masterton New Zealand. its been posted here before, it was around 74."
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Post by John Wall on Sept 26, 2012 17:19:12 GMT
There has been a story about a school teacher in Australia, New Zealand or some out of the way place showing The Macra Terror to some school kids. As most people know their year of birth it should be possible to tie this down to within a couple of years. The school probably has a website meaning that it should be possible to make contact. Or this has been investigated and it concluded that it's just a myth ? That was Neil Lambess in New Zealand, who was one of those responsible for getting The Lion back and I believe Neil himself has checked it out. He spoke about it on this forum in 2008: "In the 1970s i saw 2 Macra Terror episodes projected from 16mm at a cancelled school sports day in Masterton New Zealand. its been posted here before, it was around 74." That's the one. We've got a time frame - say 73 to 75 - what school was he at ?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Sept 26, 2012 17:24:23 GMT
The ad appeared in the Friday Ad Hastings, Bexhill and Eastbourne edition Paul.
If he did make a quick private descreet sale then there is a collector in the East Sussex, possibly Kent area with a whole load of Dads Army films in their collection.
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