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Post by John Wall on Sept 26, 2012 17:32:48 GMT
The ad appeared in the Friday Ad Hastings, Bexhill and Eastbourne edition Paul. If he did make a quick private descreet sale then there is a collector in the East Sussex, possibly Kent area with a whole load of Dads Army films in their collection. Best lead I've heard all day !
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Post by George D on Sept 26, 2012 18:24:26 GMT
Guess it works It's funny you should say that. I don't post often but I've wondered if anyone has sent a friendly letter to ex-BBC staff from those times asking for leads. That would surely bring in some interesting tales of film going missing at least... and maybe some valuable information? Done, several times. The last one did turn up a great many missing audio material and a couple of missing programmes... Paul
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Post by Stephen Neve on Sept 26, 2012 18:26:30 GMT
The ad appeared in the Friday Ad Hastings, Bexhill and Eastbourne edition Paul. If he did make a quick private descreet sale then there is a collector in the East Sussex, possibly Kent area with a whole load of Dads Army films in their collection. Best lead I've heard all day ! Sorry, you have lost me there?
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Post by Steven Sigel on Sept 26, 2012 20:35:09 GMT
I think the most salient point was Furst's mention that he was receiving royalties for TUM until the 80s. Broadwcast notes that the last known screening of TUM was Zambia in May 1970. If Furst's recollection of the dates is correct, then from what screenings was he receiving royalties? Hi, Well, he may well have been getting payments, but were they from overseas sales? Ian Levine was buying episodes from BBC Enterprises at the time and if he purchased episode 3, Furst would have received a payment (albeit a small one) for that sale. If extracts were used in documentaries or as an illustrative clip in another programme, Furst would have been paid. This is a far more likely scenario that payments for an overseas sale into the 1980's. Regards, Paul Ian didn't have UWM(3) on film - but possibly he bought it on VT?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 26, 2012 21:53:55 GMT
The ad appeared in the Friday Ad Hastings, Bexhill and Eastbourne edition Paul. If he did make a quick private descreet sale then there is a collector in the East Sussex, possibly Kent area with a whole load of Dads Army films in their collection. Hi Steve, Well as discussed in this thread, I also spoke to the guy. He'd already sold the films but was very polite. He told me the whole story of how he came by the films and what else there was. The other film material had been disposed of earlier; some of it had been thrown away as I recall and he sold the remaining films as a job lot to a fifty something guy who drove a very nice car and paid cash. There are all sorts of collectors out there with a lot of TV film like this. We'll eventually see it for what it is I'm sure. Paul
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Post by Stephen Neve on Sept 27, 2012 8:45:43 GMT
The ad appeared in the Friday Ad Hastings, Bexhill and Eastbourne edition Paul. If he did make a quick private descreet sale then there is a collector in the East Sussex, possibly Kent area with a whole load of Dads Army films in their collection. Hi Steve, Well as discussed in this thread, I also spoke to the guy. He'd already sold the films but was very polite. He told me the whole story of how he came by the films and what else there was. The other film material had been disposed of earlier; some of it had been thrown away as I recall and he sold the remaining films as a job lot to a fifty something guy who drove a very nice car and paid cash. There are all sorts of collectors out there with a lot of TV film like this. We'll eventually see it for what it is I'm sure. Paul Hi Paul, Can I ask was the man we both spoke to was the same one who placed the ad in the Friday Ad. Not sure if you were reffering directly to him or somebody else.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 27, 2012 9:12:06 GMT
Same guy.
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Post by Robert Manners on Sept 27, 2012 17:54:29 GMT
Ian didn't have UWM(3) on film - but possibly he bought it on VT? Ian used to often buy BBC content on Sony U-Matic 3⁄4 inch format. Even today I know he still holds programmes like ‘Out of the Unknown’ on this format, but tends to watch these and other shows from the DVD captures made from the U-matic versions.
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Post by John Curley on Sept 27, 2012 21:20:48 GMT
Can anyone shed any light on contact with Gibraltar TV? From the Broadwcast site I have read that they aired their last Troughton episodes in December 1973.That's relatively late.I understand that some of them were sent to Africa from then.But I am wondering if there are any records from Gib TV that say what they did with the others , sent back to BBC, destroyed in Gib etc. I know that Gib TV will have been thoroughly checked, probably several times, but what, if anything, did they say happened to the episodes? Have they got any kind of TV/Film archive? Im a bit curious.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 27, 2012 21:36:13 GMT
Can anyone shed any light on contact with Gibraltar TV? From the Broadwcast site I have read that they aired their last Troughton episodes in December 1973.That's relatively late.I understand that some of them were sent to Africa from then. Interesting. My theory is that Gibraltar returned material directly to the BBC and was at the end of the bicycle run. Far from them sending material to Africa, I think if anything material was sent from Africa, to them and then back to the BBC. Don't forget, the documentation we're missing regards what was sent back to the BBC and then locally junked. There are no records it seems. But we know that material did arrive back at the BBC and was routinely junked and I believe that Gibraltar was one country that did precisely that. Paul
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 27, 2012 21:48:29 GMT
From the Broadwcast site I have read that they aired their last Troughton episodes in December 1973.That's relatively late.I understand that some of them were sent to Africa from then. BroaDWcast only says "may" have been sent to Africa. That's not the same as saying they did.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 27, 2012 22:15:25 GMT
Interesting. My theory is that Gibraltar returned material directly to the BBC and was at the end of the bicycle run. Far from them sending material to Africa, I think if anything material was sent from Africa, to them and then back to the BBC. Don't forget, the documentation we're missing regards what was sent back to the BBC and then locally junked. There are no records it seems. But we know that material did arrive back at the BBC and was routinely junked and I believe that Gibraltar was one country that did precisely that. Paul Reviewing what's on BroaDWcast, here's what I think *may* have been the bicycle chain (!) of the Troughton stories starting with The Abominable Snowmen: 1) Australia - to BBC in 1975 or junked 2a) Hong Kong - to Zambia (all stories bar Fury and Wheel which Zambia didn't air) - to BBC? 2b) Hong Kong to Nigeria (Dominators and Krotons only) - to BBC? 3) Singapore to Gibraltar - to BBC? 4) New Zealand to Nigeria in 1974 - to BBC? That makes four sets of prints of each serial. Any prints not sent to another country, were either returned to BBC or junked locally. Discuss.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 27, 2012 23:07:48 GMT
1) Australia - to BBC in 1975 or junked 2a) Hong Kong - to Zambia (all stories bar Fury and Wheel which Zambia didn't air) - to BBC? 2b) Hong Kong to Nigeria (Dominators and Krotons only) - to BBC? 3) Singapore to Gibraltar - to BBC? 4) New Zealand to Nigeria in 1974 - to BBC? That makes four sets of prints of each serial. Any prints not sent to another country, were either returned to BBC or junked locally. Discuss. Obviously we don't have all the paperwork, but it's a good theory. Singapore to Gibraltar would make sense. Are there any records which indicate #4 was an option? Obviously the system was working in the mid 1970's because NZ did send 14 episodes to Midwest TV so there is a working precedent for that route. Paul
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 27, 2012 23:56:41 GMT
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 28, 2012 1:33:27 GMT
4) New Zealand to Nigeria in 1974 - to BBC? Are there any records which indicate #4 was an option? Obviously the system was working in the mid 1970's because NZ did send 14 episodes to Midwest TV so there is a working precedent for that route. Clear records, no, but the records that do exist at TVNZ that I've seen do offer this - NZ sending those to Nigeria - as a distinct possibility, plus the fact that Nigeria didn't get Ice Warriors or Fury, the same two stories that NZ didn't air kind of dictates that NZ supplied the stories they could to Nigeria - i.e. it wasn't that NZ sent at the BBC's request the stories Nigeria had bought, but Nigeria bought the stories NZ could supply them with.
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