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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 5, 2012 18:45:25 GMT
Curious: the version I learned of the rhyme the title is derived from definitely did put Girls before Boys. after saying that the play is missing, they haven't replied, this could probably be just because they haven'y been on the site to reply yet though. If it is a hoax, it seems odd to make one on a music festival website, and not somewhere like here? I would point out that the post - and thread - in question date from last June, so it's perhaps not too suprising the poster hasn't seen your reply. No, they replied to my orignal post on the greenman site, a few hours after I made a post expressing an interest in how they got to see the play, and if they had a copy. They replied with a link to an imdb style site showing a list of the cast of the play, etc. When I replied again, asking specifically how they got to see the play and saying that according to the bbc and bfi, it was missing, they didn't reply. This could just be because they haven't seen the post though. If it is a hoax, it seems an odd place to do it, amongst people who I would of thought wouldn't of known a detailed history of the bbc's archive policy in the 70s.
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Post by A J Meredith on Apr 6, 2012 15:49:20 GMT
Very intriguing. I watched this play when it was shown as a standalone drama. Would dearly love to see it again. Because it was shown twice I've always had a sneaking feeling it might exist somewhere. I was disappointed it wasn't found in Bob Monkhouse's collection. I mean, the bloke had filled 50,000 tapes over the years and yet nothing of interest to me was recovered.
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Post by A J Meredith on Apr 6, 2012 17:09:01 GMT
I've now read the post referred to. Something tells me it's genuine. It's the way the wording is so specific. A clean copy, not a telerecording. Why would someone be so precise on this detail if they were talking bullshit. He's not vague. He states most definitely it was at the BFI where he saw it. I won't get my hopes up too much, but this is promising.
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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 6, 2012 20:13:00 GMT
I have made it clear that it is missing, but they haven't yet replied.
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Post by A J Meredith on Apr 7, 2012 7:44:33 GMT
He replied to your first post, so here's hoping.
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Post by Neil Megson on Jun 11, 2012 15:18:28 GMT
Is there any more news on this one ? Or has the trail gone cold ?
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Post by felixdembinski on Jun 11, 2012 15:26:53 GMT
I made it clear to the member of the green man forum that what they had seen was a missing and highly sought after piece of television, but they have not responded in 2 months.
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Post by Neil Megson on Jul 13, 2013 23:09:43 GMT
Searching the BFI's database at collections-search.bfi.org.uk for the title "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play" gives 4 results, one of which is : collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/ChoiceFilmWorks/150591858It's an episode of "The Troubleshooters" from 13th July 1970, directed by Moira Armstrong. The BFI say they hold this as "16mm Colour Positive - Safety - Status pending". Confusingly, the BFI also list Moira Armstrong as the director of the 1973 "Menace" episode titled "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play", when it was actually directed by Anthea Browne-Wilkinson. When Cyfarthfa1 says s/he "saw this at the BFI", do they mean they watched it at the BFI, or just saw a film can marked "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play" on the shelf and assumed it was the Menace episode ? Is it worth contacting the BFI again and asking them to check what's held by actually viewing the print - is it The Troubleshooters or Menace ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 8:18:23 GMT
Always worth triple-checking things like this! Material has been wrongly catalogued before now and it's turned out missing items have been located in this way.
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Post by John Green on Jul 14, 2013 8:34:44 GMT
Fingers in angular juxtaposition...
Interesting that both BAGGOTPs were directed by ladies.
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Post by David Buck on Jul 14, 2013 11:44:29 GMT
The Kaleidoscope guide has Moira Armstrong listed as director for both episodes too; Anthea Browne-Wilkinson is listed as script editor for Menace; but the archive holding for troubleshooters is listed as being B&W and the original broadcast format as 2inch so colour film looks very unlikely, so there's a mystery to be resolved there either way.
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Post by John Green on Jul 14, 2013 21:54:08 GMT
Searching the BFI's database at collections-search.bfi.org.uk for the title "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play" gives 4 results, one of which is : collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/ChoiceFilmWorks/150591858It's an episode of "The Troubleshooters" from 13th July 1970, directed by Moira Armstrong. The BFI say they hold this as "16mm Colour Positive - Safety - Status pending". Confusingly, the BFI also list Moira Armstrong as the director of the 1973 "Menace" episode titled "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play", when it was actually directed by Anthea Browne-Wilkinson. When Cyfarthfa1 says s/he "saw this at the BFI", do they mean they watched it at the BFI, or just saw a film can marked "Boys and Girls Come Out To Play" on the shelf and assumed it was the Menace episode ? Is it worth contacting the BFI again and asking them to check what's held by actually viewing the print - is it The Troubleshooters or Menace ? If I read it right,the Database just has Anthea Browne-Wilkinson as the script editor on BAGCOTP? ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/individual/5702?view=credit&page=1
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Post by John Green on Jul 14, 2013 22:16:20 GMT
It somehow decreases one's hope that they made a double reply to you,Felix,in the space of a minute,and used the expression "I saw at BFI" (sic).Somehow,the tantalising posts always seem to be semi-literate. I suspect that he,she,or it meant to say that they'd seen it at-or on-the BFI's website.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Jul 15, 2013 7:31:25 GMT
The Kaleidoscope guide has Moira Armstrong listed as director for both episodes too; Anthea Browne-Wilkinson is listed as script editor for Menace; but the archive holding for troubleshooters is listed as being B&W and the original broadcast format as 2inch so colour film looks very unlikely, so there's a mystery to be resolved there either way. Exactly - colour tele-recordings were pretty rare and I'd assume unlikely for a show like Troubleshooters unless it was some sort of test. But that argument would also apply to the Menace episode (unless its original format was 16mm film?) I've tried to raise the point on the Imagine - Rod Stewart thread (with no success) that if an apparently missing documentary from the 60s featuring him has been found at the BFI while there's still no indication on their database that such a thing exists, then there's hope that more stuff remains to be discovered just by recataloging. It would be interesting to find out how the Imagine researchers discovered the Easter With Rod elements for a start....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 8:31:18 GMT
As other missing things have been wrongly catalogued / misfiled / not indexed at all (the uncovered 22/11/73 TOTP being a recent example), it would be worth going into this one thoroughly. Perhaps the only way to solve the riddle conclusively would be to actually look at the recordings. Therefore maybe a Kal representative could look into this one in conjunction with Dick Fiddy? Are you reading, chaps?
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