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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 23:30:34 GMT
Indeed it is disgraceful that the final series is the only complete one left since it's the least representative of the show - Dixon had retired from the police reduced to helping them as a civilian.
Absolutely nothing left of Series 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 19. Not even any film inserts.
Maybe it was felt to be a little too genteel for overseas consumption... does seem very strange it doesn't seem to had been sold abroad given it's popularity in Britain.
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 17, 2012 10:17:36 GMT
The BBC did export Fabian Of The Yard IIRC, so it's not too wild an idea.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 17, 2012 10:46:54 GMT
The BBC did export Fabian Of The Yard IIRC, so it's not too wild an idea. Wasn't that all on film ? |
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Post by davidstead on Mar 17, 2012 16:29:27 GMT
Also I don't think Fabian was a solely BBC production?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Mar 17, 2012 17:42:52 GMT
Indeed it is disgraceful that the final series is the only complete one left since it's the least representative of the show - Dixon had retired from the police reduced to helping them as a civilian. Absolutely nothing left of Series 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 19. Not even any film inserts. Maybe it was felt to be a little too genteel for overseas consumption... does seem very strange it doesn't seem to had been sold abroad given it's popularity in Britain. Probably too British to export - but the BBC remit was to cater for the home market first, exports were of a secondary consideration. Obviously different for ITV as they had no juicy license fee coming in so it was open market for them. |
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Post by erikborja on Mar 18, 2012 5:26:06 GMT
The BBC did export Fabian Of The Yard IIRC, so it's not too wild an idea. Wasn't that all on film ? Well according to wikipedia "Fabian of the Yard was one of the earliest BBC series to be shot on film." |
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Post by davidstead on Mar 18, 2012 10:58:41 GMT
Had it been a solely BBC production, it would be very unlikely to have any missing episodes and more than likely have it's original negs surviving to.
Any film programme made by the BBC would have made it's way to the film library in Ealing Studios. The series 'War In The Air' being a prime example.
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Mar 18, 2012 14:39:47 GMT
Had it been a solely BBC production, it would be very unlikely to have any missing episodes and more than likely have it's original negs surviving to. Any film programme made by the BBC would have made it's way to the film library in Ealing Studios. The series 'War In The Air' being a prime example. Whilst the film library had a better record than their counterparts at VT (not difficult, since the VT was reuseable, unlike film), they weren't that safe a refuge. Virtually all of DoDG s9 (1962-3) used 35mm recordings as the transmission master for some reason, but only three episodes survived. Similarly, the film only Fabian of the Yard mentioned above (which was a co-production, btw) only survived complete in the Canadian archives: the UK holdings listed in the Kaleidoscope BBC Drama Guide are just 10 of 39 episodes. |
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Post by davidstead on Mar 18, 2012 19:46:02 GMT
The fact that Fabian was a co-prod (thought it was), possibly meant that the co-producers had the rights to the masters and the BBC never had the negs. I notice 'lostshows' seems to indicate the surviving ones being on 35mm print form.
I agree that even whist in it's early incarnation at Ealing, the film library wasn't perfect (dumping almost all 35mm material for all seven episodes of 'A For Andromeda' in may 1968 being a good example), as you say 3 of the series 9 episodes do survive on 35mm f/r. Where does it say that most of that season was transmitted off 35mm f/r? It's fair to assume that the 3 surviving ones were.
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Mar 19, 2012 13:02:01 GMT
Where does it say that most of that season was transmitted off 35mm f/r? It's fair to assume that the 3 surviving ones were. The aforementioned Kaleidoscope BBC Drama Guide (which is, I might add, an absolute steal at £29.99 for the PDF Download). Of the 28 episodes for s9, 23 were transmitted from 35mm fr, the remainder being 2" 405-line VT. Dixon of Dock Green was surprisingly early in making the transition from live performances to transmission from VT or film, btw: from s7 (Oct 1960) all episodes were pre-recorded, whilst Z-Cars and subsequently Softly Softly were routinely transmitted live right up until 1967. |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Mar 20, 2012 9:29:26 GMT
Like to have seen No Love Lost from 1969 but its not archived.
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Post by George D on Mar 20, 2012 12:38:04 GMT
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Post by Colin Anderton on Mar 20, 2012 12:43:53 GMT
Z-Cars and subsequently Softly Softly were routinely transmitted live right up until 1967.
Does anyone else remember the occasion when John Slater had a coronary live on air during a Z Cars episode? I recall this clearly; he was incredibly brave to carry on, and asked fellow actors to call an ambulance - as if it was part of the script!
I presume - given the above comments about transmission - this must have been no later than 1967.
Colin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 13:15:35 GMT
As John Slater joined the show in 1967, the incident (if it happened) must have been in that year then. I'm not sure when the series started to be pre-recorded though - possibly when it returned in the twice weekly format if it happened as late as '67? Earlier on (around 1962-3), if it was still performed live, the episodes must have been recorded as they went out as I recall a Sunday afternoon repeat slot for Z-Cars at about that time.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Mar 20, 2012 13:20:51 GMT
Lots of conflicting information here. The original run of Z-Cars, when it was routinely transmitted live, ended in 1965.
John Slater didn't join the cast until it was revived in 1967, staying with it until he died in January 1975. All of these later series were pre-recorded, so he may well have been ill during a recording session (and the take may have been used in the final edit) but it wouldn't have been live on air.
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