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Post by Simon Broad on Jan 25, 2012 23:09:11 GMT
I am sorry you are getting annoyed Ross and I know you are trying to even both sides out but there will be more recoveries there's billions of people in the world more will turn up and after the recent recovery it has been on the news and papers people will realise the rarety of dw cans. There will be more or at least 1. Thanks. Simon
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jan 26, 2012 0:04:17 GMT
OK,OK we get it. Someone could have prints in Gibralter, as well as Germany or in England but if they do they got themfrom someone else and there is no records so they can't be verified. Just hope and keep on looking.....
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 26, 2012 0:24:07 GMT
I am sorry you are getting annoyed Ross and I know you are trying to even both sides out but there will be more recoveries there's billions of people in the world more will turn up and after the recent recovery it has been on the news and papers people will realise the rarety of dw cans. There will be more or at least 1. Thanks. Simon I'm getting annoyed because people keep calling me Ross!  But... There was loads of publicity about The Lion in 1999, but Francis Watson didn't know that Day of Armageddon was missing. There was loads of publicity about Day of Armageddon, yet the guy who returned the two prints last year didn't have the faintest idea that they were missing until he spoke to Ralph Montagu. You vastly overestimate the extent to which this information gets through to the people with the prints. Your comment about billions of people in the world - are you suggesting that simply because there are billions of people in the world, therefore there must be more episodes out there..? And, please, unless you have concrete evidence to the contrary, please stop saying that you know there will be more - you don't know anything of the sort, you just hope. I've made my cleavage-related comment already, I don't want to make it again. |
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Post by Ross Mann on Jan 26, 2012 0:44:37 GMT
Hey Rob, I get annoyed when people call me Ross and its my name!!! (LmFAO) Im assuming it's just a typo mate! I know when I've replied to your posts in (silly) threads I've started (mostly out of curiosty) my auto correct (which can kiss my ask! Lol) wants to replace it with "Ross" strange as Rob is a fairly common name! I think I know about a dozen!! Sure we can be "hopefull" but "faith"?? Goodness me, I know that Dr Who is an institution but surely putting a religious context to it is going a bit far? Maybe J. F. Brayshaw should get himself a copy of Wiped? (if he hasn't already) and hopefully he won't irritate people's cleavage lol  I'm 100% sure he will get all the answers he requires  Oh, And a Happy Australia Day to all the Aussies who either take part or are casual observers on these forums. |
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jan 26, 2012 1:02:11 GMT
Hey Rob, I get annoyed when people call me Ross and its my name!!! (LmFAO) Im assuming it's just a typo mate! I know when I've replied to your posts in (silly) threads I've started (mostly out of curiosty) my auto correct (which can kiss my ask! Lol) wants to replace it with "Ross" strange as Rob is a fairly common name! I think I know about a dozen!! Sure we can be "hopefull" but "faith"?? Goodness me, I know that Dr Who is an institution but surely putting a religious context to it is going a bit far? Maybe J. F. Brayshaw should get himself a copy of Wiped? (if he hasn't already) and hopefully he won't irritate people's cleavage lol I'm 100% sure he will get all the answers he requires Oh, And a Happy Australia Day to all the Aussies who either take part or are casual observers on these forums. Ross, I know I don't want to bring Religion in any discussion. First I'm just as frustrated as everyone else 106 to go why can't we find the eps. Second I feel that animation is a solution until we get more eps ~ from what I have read on other threads something is in the works with the group that is handling the animation of Reign of Terror and what that is we'll just have to wait and see. Third at least we don't have a total loss like Z Cars. Fourth Happy Australia Day! |
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Post by Ross Mann on Jan 26, 2012 1:47:22 GMT
Sorry Mr Brayshaw, I think I should have mentioned someone else (or no one at all possibly) my bad. It's invasion (lol) day mate I've been on it since I got back from stinky Sydney this morning and I didn't get a chance to follow up on my "silly idea" whilst I was there either (bugger) not that I'd really want to have a look around that madhouse, but I reckon Sydney would be a great place to look!! |
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jan 26, 2012 2:39:37 GMT
Sorry Mr Brayshaw, I think I should have mentioned someone else (or no one at all possibly) my bad. It's invasion (lol) day mate I've been on it since I got back from stinky Sydney this morning and I didn't get a chance to follow up on my "silly idea" whilst I was there either (bugger) not that I'd really want to have a look around that madhouse, but I reckon Sydney would be a great place to look!! At least it's Summer and not like Winter here in Philadelphia |
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 26, 2012 3:34:20 GMT
I am sorry you are getting annoyed Ross and I know you are trying to even both sides out but there will be more recoveries there's billions of people in the world more will turn up and after the recent recovery it has been on the news and papers people will realise the rarety of dw cans. There will be more or at least 1. Thanks. Simon I'm getting annoyed because people keep calling me Ross! But... There was loads of publicity about The Lion in 1999, but Francis Watson didn't know that Day of Armageddon was missing. There was loads of publicity about Day of Armageddon, yet the guy who returned the two prints last year didn't have the faintest idea that they were missing until he spoke to Ralph Montagu. You vastly overestimate the extent to which this information gets through to the people with the prints. It seems that.....Rob is absolutely correct on this one. Mr. Burnett had no idea the episodes were missing. Mr. Grenville had no idea that The Lion was missing. The guy that had episode 3 of The Faceless Ones and episode 2 of The Evil of the Daleks didn't know those prints were missing. These film collectors all thought the BBC had their own copies of these episodes in the archive. The current methods used to inform the public about lost episodes don't seem to be getting the attention of the film collectors that might have them. As to why the publicity is not reaching them, your guess is as good as mine. |
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Post by George D on Jan 26, 2012 4:11:56 GMT
On one side of the coin, I agree with you that a publicity blitz after the recovery has not produced an immediate response. That being said, I think the long term publicity for missing Dr Who motivated Terry to be asked about missing episodes which caused the return of the two new episodes. While Im not in love with the new series, I think it has caused a new generation of fans to be out there supplying publicity for the series which will take up the mantle for us in the future to look for episodes and reconstruct them.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 26, 2012 4:21:00 GMT
Mr. Burnett had no idea the episodes were missing. Mr. Grenville had no idea that The Lion was missing. The guy that had episode 3 of The Faceless Ones and episode 2 of The Evil of the Daleks didn't know those prints were missing. These film collectors all thought the BBC had their own copies of these episodes in the archive. The current methods used to inform the public about lost episodes don't seem to be getting the attention of the film collectors that might have them. As to why the publicity is not reaching them, your guess is as good as mine. The only way to catch is to widen the net. The problem is, it would take a vast amount of money, effort, and time, plus the right timing, to achieve. One would need to have full page ads in all major and minor newspapers across the globe, TV ads, cinema ads, demonstrations and marches (to catch the attention of the news media), all for several months, and continuous. And offer large cash rewards. Someone mentioned on another forum that the best way to catch attention of collectors would be to place ads in the sorts of journals and film-industry magazines that film collectors are likely to read. But who's going to invest in such a risky prospect? The BBC certainly isn't going to... |
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Post by George D on Jan 26, 2012 4:29:25 GMT
I have no idea how much the BBC spends a year on episode recovery.That being said, if they're spending 30k to colorize episodes which they will recoup from sales, perhaps investing in episode recovery would pay for itself. If they did it in the 70s or 80s when the odds were greater, it would have turned a tidy profit.
Regardless, there are publicity angles they can use that have little or no cost to get the word out. Money spent is not everything.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 26, 2012 7:34:39 GMT
I have no idea how much the BBC spends a year on episode recovery.That being said, if they're spending 30k to colorize episodes which they will recoup from sales, perhaps investing in episode recovery would pay for itself. If they did it in the 70s or 80s when the odds were greater, it would have turned a tidy profit. Regardless, there are publicity angles they can use that have little or no cost to get the word out. Money spent is not everything. Thing is, paying for colourisation is a safe bet because you know with certainty that you will have a product at the end, which you can sell and recoup (some of) your costs. Investing in episode recovery, such as paying for trips overseas, etc has no guarantee of turning anything up, and may therefore end up being a colossal waste of money. With a publicly funded organisation such as the Beeb, already under extreme financial pressure and scrutiny, throwing cash into the wind would be heavily criticised. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 26, 2012 9:11:57 GMT
I have no idea how much the BBC spends a year on episode recovery.That being said, if they're spending 30k to colorize episodes which they will recoup from sales, perhaps investing in episode recovery would pay for itself. If they did it in the 70s or 80s when the odds were greater, it would have turned a tidy profit. Regardless, there are publicity angles they can use that have little or no cost to get the word out. Money spent is not everything. This is always something I wish they'd done. To be honest, I think the BBC is just too big a beast to deal with this as it has many other priorities. I think a wealthy backer coming forward and offering huge cash rewards for missing material might encourage collectors to give up what they're allegedly holding, or at least encourage Mr Jones to go and check the 16mm cans he's got stored in his cupboard. I guess I'll just carry on doing the lottery for now! |
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Post by pelham cort on Jan 26, 2012 15:00:04 GMT
i think there might be some doctor who episodes like the macra terror in uganda.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 26, 2012 15:45:54 GMT
i think there might be some doctor who episodes like the macra terror in uganda. As I understand it Africa has been fully searched. If anymore prints do turn up, they're highly unlikely to come from this region. Paul and the team have done sterling work chasing every sniff of a lead for decades - if you have any direct information I'd pass it onto him, if it's just a hunch, it's probably already been done to death. |
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