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Post by anthony marks on Jan 22, 2012 23:59:35 GMT
I'd like to raise the subject of remastered DVD's in light of the recent Invasion of the Dinosaurs Episode 1. As many of the Pertwee Color era is far from perfect, it appears that some stories have undergone better remastering compared to others. Take The Time Monster, hardly a classic, but incredible quality and compare the lesser quality of the likes of Inferno and the Sea Devils. I thought Vidfire or a similar process could be used for these classic stories.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jan 23, 2012 0:25:56 GMT
I'd like to raise the subject of remastered DVD's in light of the recent Invasion of the Dinosaurs Episode 1. As many of the Pertwee Color era is far from perfect, it appears that some stories have undergone better remastering compared to others. Take The Time Monster, hardly a classic, but incredible quality and compare the lesser quality of the likes of Inferno and the Sea Devils. I thought Vidfire or a similar process could be used for these classic stories. Unfortunately video tape deteriorates, I remember how the Davison era was in the 80's and now ~ at least they still exist. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 23, 2012 0:58:34 GMT
I'd like to raise the subject of remastered DVD's in light of the recent Invasion of the Dinosaurs Episode 1. As many of the Pertwee Color era is far from perfect, it appears that some stories have undergone better remastering compared to others. Take The Time Monster, hardly a classic, but incredible quality and compare the lesser quality of the likes of Inferno and the Sea Devils. I thought Vidfire or a similar process could be used for these classic stories. Inferno is b&w telerecordings with colour from US off air recordings added. It predates the development of Colour Recovery. When I first watched it I was impressed, subsequently I realised that it could be better. I'd like to see a remastered version that combines the colour from the two sources potentially available; the US off air and Colour Recovery from the chroma dots. Sea Devils is a mixture. The first three are Reverse Standards Conversion from US NTSC - Never Twice the Same Colour - tapes whereas the final three are the original PAL tapes. When I first saw the DVD I considered that the first three episodes weren't quite right. However, when I saw the Curse of Peladon (which was also from Reverse Standards Conversion) some years later I was extremely impressed with the quality; I understand that they'd used a bit more Digital Noise Reduction. I'd like to see a remastered version with the first three episodes either given a bit more Digital Noise Reduction or the RSC colour combined with the output from Colour Recovery. The problem is justifying a re-release for stories that already have reasonable extras. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 23, 2012 1:15:45 GMT
Inferno is b&w telerecordings with colour from US off air recordings added. It predates the development of Colour Recovery. No it isn't. Inferno is from 525 NTSC tapes converted using the Reverse Standards Conversion process, exactly the same as 'The Time Monster'. The problem is that firstly there is the issue of multiple generations which is made worse by the RSC process. Noise is enhanced. Secondly, the techniques used to reduce the noise on 'Inferno' have been superceded by better technology and processes. I'm sure people realise that there is a trade off between sharpness and noise when it comes to these old recordings, but that we are pushing the technology far further than was dreamed of even 10 years ago. Regards, Paul |
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Post by simonashby on Jan 23, 2012 1:53:53 GMT
I think your understanding of what VidFire actually is is wrong.
Technology marches on a pace and will do so more quickly and rapidly as time goes on. As this happens, it generally gets quicker and cheaper. I expect that one day in the years ahead the releases will be looked at again, especially when digital downloads and streaming supersede physical consumer formats all together - requiring a re-release as such.
Original film negatives for programmes held on NTSC tapes such as Inferno are being retained in archives rather than being junked because they hold the potential of providing a higher quality picture should a re-release call for it.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 23, 2012 9:34:35 GMT
I sit corrected....
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Post by dennywilson on Jan 26, 2012 11:33:55 GMT
Inferno is b&w telerecordings with colour from US off air recordings added. It predates the development of Colour Recovery. No it isn't. Inferno is from 525 NTSC tapes converted using the Reverse Standards Conversion process, exactly the same as 'The Time Monster'. The problem is that firstly there is the issue of multiple generations which is made worse by the RSC process. Noise is enhanced. Secondly, the techniques used to reduce the noise on 'Inferno' have been superceded by better technology and processes. I'm sure people realise that there is a trade off between sharpness and noise when it comes to these old recordings, but that we are pushing the technology far further than was dreamed of even 10 years ago. Regards, Paul So, when were the advances in the RSC and which releases reflected the various improvements? |
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Post by Ron Merritt on Jan 26, 2012 15:16:52 GMT
I noticed the Sea Devils did'nt look that great but other than that the only serial I've had any issues with that the RSC process was used on is Colony In Space. To me they look close to the same quality as the Sea Devils and the region 1 disk for espisode six seems to have some encoding issues. I had to change the settings on my player or the whole episode had a weird out of phase look to it, maybe an interlacing issue or something? Once I worked on my players setting that one episode still has some issues that I can't get an answer on as to if it's source related or just something with the pressing of this release. There seems to be a lot of odd jerkyness on a couple of scenes. The worst one being the fight scene in the mud. It looks like it's an out of phase film recording.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 16:14:19 GMT
Original film negatives for programmes held on NTSC tapes such as Inferno are being retained in archives rather than being junked because they hold the potential of providing a higher quality picture should a re-release call for it. Yes, I personally reckon that (good though the results were at the time) Inferno could be revisited in future to provide a sharper picture by combining the Vidfired b/w t/rs with the colour from the 525 masters. The t/rs were made from the 625 VT, after all, and so the actual image on them should be sharper than that on the soft RSC'd 525 version. We'll see eventually, I suppose... |
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Post by Alex B on Jan 26, 2012 19:36:28 GMT
Yes, I personally reckon that (good though the results were at the time) Inferno could be revisited in future to provide a sharper picture by combining the Vidfired b/w t/rs with the colour from the 525 masters. The t/rs were made from the 625 VT, after all, and so the actual image on them should be sharper than that on the soft RSC'd 525 version. We'll see eventually, I suppose... Someone will correct me if I'm wrong no doubt, but I believe the problem with using the B&W TRs as a base to start with is that the picture is zoomed in loosing information around the edges, whereas the NTSC tapes retain that information (albeit on the slightly fuzzy side). |
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Post by simonashby on Jan 26, 2012 19:40:52 GMT
Yes, I personally reckon that (good though the results were at the time) Inferno could be revisited in future to provide a sharper picture by combining the Vidfired b/w t/rs with the colour from the 525 masters. The t/rs were made from the 625 VT, after all, and so the actual image on them should be sharper than that on the soft RSC'd 525 version. We'll see eventually, I suppose... Someone will correct me if I'm wrong no doubt, but I believe the problem with using the B&W TRs as a base to start with is that the picture is zoomed in loosing information around the edges, whereas the NTSC tapes retain that information (albeit on the slightly fuzzy side). Actually, in many cases the RSC tapes are actually more zoomed in than a TR! In fact, I think it has been mentioned that this was the case with Inferno? |
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