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Post by Rob Moss on Dec 23, 2011 11:28:27 GMT
Sorry to get to the point but is their a chance ice warriors is in Germany?? I think the consensus is that there is a very slim chance, but that it is hugely unlikely, as there would be no reason for them to retain the prints after the decision not to buy.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 23, 2011 15:37:44 GMT
Indeed - and *if* the article is accurate, we are talking about them getting the prints 43 years ago.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 23, 2011 16:56:55 GMT
Actually, given German efficiency, if they did receive them, and there were no explicit instructions to destroy them or pass them on or whatever, then they'll still be there, filed, archived, cross-referenced and signed for by at least a dozen people. Getting them back might be difficult. You might need to get permission from whoever it was gave authority to have them sent out there in the first place. Richard
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 23, 2011 17:20:48 GMT
Believe me, for all their supposed "efficiency", German companies can be just as shonky as anywhere else in the world!
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 23, 2011 17:31:35 GMT
I must admit we're dealing with some at the moment and all I can see is an obsessive desire to do everything "by the book" even if it ends up costing double!
More than any country I would imagine that a German TV station would have done *exactly* what it said they were supposed to.
Which might be to our advantage, or then again it might not :-)
Richard
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Post by Rob Moss on Dec 23, 2011 18:20:35 GMT
Somewhere there's a letter to ZDF saying "if you don't want to screen it, please destroy episodes 2 and 3, and send the rest back to Villiers House, using this Fury From The Deep can (enclosed)..! ;-)
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Post by adriane17 on Dec 28, 2011 19:19:16 GMT
"German efficiency" - no stereotyping on this site please!
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Post by John Wall on Dec 28, 2011 19:43:58 GMT
"German efficiency" - no stereotyping on this site please! I didn't get where I am today by stereotyping on this site ;D
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Post by Alex Dering on Jan 2, 2012 4:29:55 GMT
Germany would be a special case. The Nazis destroyed so much during (and before) WWII, and even then, some Germans kept forbidden books and art hidden because they knew those items were being destroyed. I suspect that if you live through that sort of thing, you tend to retain a "save it from destruction" mindset, even 25 or so years after the end of the war.
I would not be surprised if somewhere in Germany is a collector who has several items the BBC would do cartwheels to get back. Has any special effort been made -- in the German language -- to get the word out?
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 2, 2012 7:54:21 GMT
I would not be surprised if somewhere in Germany is a collector who has several items the BBC would do cartwheels to get back. Has any special effort been made -- in the German language -- to get the word out? Well, if somebody were to ask very nicely, maybe the guy who originally wrote the article could help out and write another article about which episodes are missing and that the BBC would appreciate it if the episodes were returned. Isn't Ian Levine still offering a reward for lost Doctor Who episodes? I am not saying it would work and lead to a return, but I don't see how it could hurt.
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Post by Gids Llewellyn on Jan 2, 2012 18:53:52 GMT
Was it only the BBC who went through a clear out in the 70's... or did other countries do a similar thing? If there was systematic junking worldwide, are there other efforts being made in those countries to find their (and possibly our) missing material?
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Post by John Green on Jan 2, 2012 19:04:03 GMT
I can't help noticing that it really doesn't seem to make much difference if a country is English-speaking or not,in terms of being sent Who.That seems surprising,given the costs of dubbing or subtitling. What rules applied to the disposal of foreign-language Whos,where they'd been made?
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Post by Greg H on Jan 2, 2012 19:31:40 GMT
Was it only the BBC who went through a clear out in the 70's... or did other countries do a similar thing? If there was systematic junking worldwide, are there other efforts being made in those countries to find their (and possibly our) missing material? I seem to recall reading that there is a fair ammount of missing home produced television in New Zealand. Perhaps someone from that direction can expand upon this?
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 2, 2012 20:33:46 GMT
Was it only the BBC who went through a clear out in the 70's... or did other countries do a similar thing? If there was systematic junking worldwide, are there other efforts being made in those countries to find their (and possibly our) missing material? I'm afraid some of the countries that bought Doctor Who during the Hartnell and Troughton eras also lost programming of their own. I saw an advertisement once for a guy in Australia that was looking for old Australian programming in the 60s and 70s that didn't exist anymore. The reason not much Doctor Who material is being found in other countries is because the BBC instructed them to destroy the episodes or return them so they could be destroyed. Our best hope with foreign stations is that hopefully somebody removed a lot of material before the order was carried out.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 2, 2012 20:49:57 GMT
Was it only the BBC who went through a clear out in the 70's... or did other countries do a similar thing? If there was systematic junking worldwide, are there other efforts being made in those countries to find their (and possibly our) missing material? I seem to recall reading that there is a fair amount of missing home produced television in New Zealand. Perhaps someone from that direction can expand upon this? I guess that would be me, then! ;-) Much of the locally-made NZ TV drama (particularly in the 1960s and 1970s) was co-financed by foreign stations, usually Australia, UK or Canada, and produced by NZBC/TVNZ in co-production with independent production companies. And as such, the rights were in the hands of a number of parties. And since NZBC/TVNZ was only a co-owner, and didn't have total control over the material, a lot of product wasn't kept. TVNZ's own archive, as well as the national New Zealand Film Archive, holds representative episodes of some of the local output, mostly variety and documentaries. In 2010, TV in NZ reached its 50 years milestone, so the celebratory documentaries that went to air all featured the same clips from the same shows we've seen on all the other NZ nostalgia / celebratory programmes we've had over the years! Both Archives have had public pleas or drives for the return or donation of material, but nothing of any great importance has been recovered. In recent years, a number of well-regarded NZ productions have finally been released on DVD, with the hope that more will follow, once the messy rights issues have been resolved. On a slight tangent, one of the NZBC's biggest sellers around the world was a period drama called "Hunter's Gold". I've seen paperwork that lists the countries to which the serial was sold, and it was very much like the Who's Who of countries to which Doctor Who had been sold - sales to Africa, Middle East, Asia, Europe. Not bad for little old NZ!
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