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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 17, 2011 7:49:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 9:08:17 GMT
I've always wondered about the archive status of How! The BFI have a couple of editions but nothing much. The VT clock at the start identifies it as a dub from an archive master (either officially existing or in private hands); is the master it was taken from still surviving though? Not sure how many are officially in the Southern archive but - knowing their record - probably not many. Unfortunately I can't help with whether or not it is missing but hopefully someone can shed more light..?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 17, 2011 9:51:08 GMT
The Wessex archive don't appear to have it. I will check with the Southern Archive holders if they reply!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 17, 2011 9:53:55 GMT
Noting some previous posts, it appears likely that Southern Star (now part of Endemol) don't have it either.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 18, 2011 8:08:00 GMT
A quick check of the Endemol Southern Star online database has quite a few How 2's, but no How's whatsoever. Right, ITN Source next, just to be safe!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 18, 2011 8:12:54 GMT
I can't find it in ITN Source either.
At the moment, I'll consider this as a find, having searched in three different online archives that could have had it!
Should anyone come up with any further information, please let me know accordingly!
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Post by Stephen Doran on Aug 18, 2011 9:10:06 GMT
Like to see the early episodes from 1966
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Post by Simon Winters on Aug 18, 2011 11:10:20 GMT
These How editions are from a small amount of episodes which were sent out on poor quality vhs from the previous Southern archive owner, RPTA Primetime, many years ago to Southern enthusiasts who wrote in asking about How. These same editions did the rounds on the collectors' circuit many years ago and have now appeared on Youtube in very poor quality.
These episodes should therefore still exist within the Southern entertainment collection, currently owned by Endemol and Renown. Nothing missing here, I would say. Endemol and Renown have so far not shown any interest in releasing these and the other late colour editions they hold.
No other archive locations hold any How editions, apart from a couple of similar colour ones at the BFI. ITV have never held any of them, so none went to Wessex either.
Also no b/w editions of How survive, for sure.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 18, 2011 11:35:44 GMT
Again, thanks Simon. ;D
Are there any pre-80's Southern TV shows I should particularly look for? I know there are plenty of people looking for Out of Town's (including me), so aside from that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 11:50:28 GMT
Well, most Southern stuff really. But particularly well loved cult series from the late '60s / early '70s such as Freewheelers (many episodes missing), Little Big Time (almost all editions missing) and Bright's Boffins (all missing). A '60s children's drama The Master, lots of How! editions, some single plays. Many more too. I seem to recall seeing a b/w t/r clip of an early How! many years back now, by the way, Simon. So maybe there is something still existing out there? The early years are the ones I recall most so it would be good to see some again. One early memorable occasion I recall was on how to make a stink bomb! Fred Dineage proceeded to tell / instruct how to do this but the sound was suddenly muted and the vision had a large "censored" stamp placed over it! So this kid never did find out how...  |
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Post by Simon Winters on Aug 18, 2011 12:28:10 GMT
I would make a polite plea, though, to stop over-emphasising Youtube on this forum. I've looked at Youtube and am not impressed.
While it is true that Youtube does occasionally have some bits of interest, the vast majority of it's 'vintage tv' material is ropey 8th generation quality and comes from the collectors' circuit anyway.
The best ways of spending one's efforts is in physically going to film fairs, and in researching numerous auction sites, film collectors' sites etc - and then to alert the BFI, Kaleidoscope etc if anything promising is discovered.
Even if something is **found** on Youtube, it's not a 'find' until the owner of the original recording (the actual film print, the actual master tape or the actual original domestic tape) agrees to co-operate with it's proper conservation and recovery. Chances of that happening is very slim, if at all. Has this ever actually happened to completion even once in fact, to date?
Major archives are not interested in Youtube or in 8th generation copies off the circuit.
I'd suggest that we should have a break from Youtube on this forum for a while, and look to more fruitful and traditional avenues as in previous years on this forum. Of course, if something **amazing** turns up on Youtube, then of course it should be mentioned.
Finally, I must say that this is by no means a criticism of Ray or anybody else. Ray and many others show great enthusiasm and dedication, putting in many hours of time and I salute that. I just think that we are looking in the wrong place by and large on Youtube.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 18, 2011 13:01:11 GMT
Hi Simon,
I agree youtube is not the best area at all, I'm looking in a number of places. Occasionally, youtube does drag up something - I have had some stuff returned this way via posters to the Beeb and Kal this way. Not a patch on the original film, I confess. I think it is useful that at least one can see the original film, even in cruddy low-res.
(One other way youtube has helped and, more to the point IS helping, is with some discussions that I really can't discuss here right now. Although, ironically, the youtube clips (referenced for a decision maker) involved all exist in an archive - they just haven't been shown since broadcast. Not yet anyway. Perhaps in 866 days or so. And, yes, i'm being deliberately obtuse, I have to be. Stuck in the Middle sort of thing....)
Anyway, back to my points; the Song for Europe clips from It's Cliff and Clunk Click (in masters overseas) I only became aware of via youtube, and also the Screen Test and a couple of other things. The Marc Bolan Saturday Scene clip, posted on youtube (his postumous TV appearance, and generally forgotten about since broadcast!) did create a bit of a stir in the T Rex world.
The Cheggers Plays Pop material located on youtube is also stirring up conversation.
But, Simon has a most salient point - I certainly need suggestions of places to look for footage!
Online film archives that people can suggest would be good, and also to mention any film fairs that go on. I've NEVER been to one - I think it's forgotten how relatively new I am to this!
Any suggestions of any film fairs to go to (pref in the SE), PLEASE LET ME KNOW by PM.
Also film collectors sites would be good, and also anyone you think I should contact who may have footage - as I have no fear of contacting anyone by e-mail - again, please PM me.
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Post by John Fleming on Aug 18, 2011 23:09:24 GMT
Personally I'd rather see an 8th generation copy on Youtube than a first gen hidden away in an archive whose owners refuse to show it. That means you, BBC, and I refer specifically to the TOTP recovered from David Hamilton, Lulu & Dick Emery.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 19, 2011 0:57:06 GMT
I have to agree that it is nicer to be able to see something than feel assured that it is safely tucked away somewhere and youtube has democratised the ability to view unreleased archive footage etc.
I think any avenue of investigation for recovering missing footage is valid. If it has been trodden before then this is a useful place to find out and it doesnt hurt to have a look. Who knows what may turn up with vigilance?
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Post by Mark Roberts on Aug 20, 2011 21:30:57 GMT
What episodes of How does exist?
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