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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 15, 2011 17:24:34 GMT
Most of you will know of the Regional Archives, and it's interesting to see that they have some non-regional shows there. By non-regional, I mean shows that were not only nationally broadcast, but where the tapes of these shows are normally held by the BBC or ITV at other locations.
In addition to last year's finding of the LNLU in SSE, and the Magpie discovery in Wessex, there are a few more.
In addition to two Blue Peter films (already archived elsewhere) there are the following three in the Wessex Archive:-
A Living Forest (BBC Natural History Unit), 1960's, ref AV 268/1/V1
A Romany Summer (Yorkshire TV), 1977, ref AV 6/SE8/V1
and, most interestingly
Seeing Sport (ATV), prob 1966, ref AV6/M202/V1
It's conjecture to work out (unlike the Magpie and LNLU) whether they are missing, but it's quite odd to see them in the Wessex archive, when one would expect to see Southern/TVS/Meridian footage. No doubt there is a local twist to all the programmes, but....still intriguing.
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Post by Simon Winters on Mar 16, 2011 12:42:27 GMT
There have been a number of instances where programmes from the BBC and from different ITV stations appear in each other's national and regional archives.
One problem is that the archives are usually very understaffed and have enough on their plate just dealing with general requests and enquiries.
They are also quite cautious about too many questions being asked, I have found. I don't think they like being inundated with such enquiries. They tend to 'clam up'.
Remember that all items in these regional archives are safely held, and are available should the BFI or the copyright holders enquire - which is extremely rare of course. Many of these programmes are so obscure that they will never need to see the light of day anyway.
The copyright holders are usually not interested in getting them back anyway, being quite content for a regional archive to look after it. This is particularly the case with Southern Television material.
The regional archives also have huge amounts of uncatalogued material inherited from the ITV companies. As the years roll on, more and more will be catalogued and hopefully in time will go to their respective copyright holders. In the meantime they are safe.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Mar 16, 2011 14:26:43 GMT
Indeed, Simon, I'm glad they are safe. I realize how much work they do and also how underfunded the Regional archives are. I also take your point about Southern, and I also remember our previous conversation in June about SWFTA (chat in the car, not here on the Forum), so I agree with all your points. Occasionally - just occasionally - a nugget turns up. The LNLU and the Magpie films being two and I heartily concur in regard to things being found in the future! In terms of at least one other regional archive I emailed this a.m, they are slowly cataloguing and putting their stuff online, they replied very courteously and swiftly, I might add. In terms of the ""newest"" archive - London, which was established far later than the others - that could be the most interesting one to watch. You will probably know more about that than I!  |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 6, 2011 9:56:38 GMT
Seeing Sport:- ""Oct 29th 1962- Trophy- finals. Littlegreen School Chichester, Havant Trasnant Junior School and Churchdown Secondary School. ""
Wessex archive:- ""FindingNo
AV6/M202/V1
Title
Trosnant School Films: ATV - Seeing Sport (2 Reels)
Date
1960s
Description
'Seeing Sport' ATV (Trosnant School Films) (Leigh Park, Hants)
Trosnant County Junior School , Havant, Hampshire: swimming display; swimming; school outing by coach; trophy presentation on TV screen. (6:26)""
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 30, 2011 9:25:15 GMT
The following films in the Screen South East Archive, are not ones with a regional focus (i.e not Southern or BBC with a South East focus)
the Way We Live, Tyne Tees, 1958
About Religion, ATV, 01/03/59
Road Across the Tamar, Westward, 1962
the Displaced Persons, BBC, 1964
Scene at 630, Granada, 1965 (ONE EPISODE ONLY)
I do not include the LNLU (dealt with 2 years back). Any feedback welcome....
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jun 30, 2011 9:43:01 GMT
Does Southend surrounding Areas of Essex still have old regional programmes?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 30, 2011 9:57:19 GMT
The regional archive that covers Essex is the East Anglian Film Archive:- www.eafa.org.uk/Was there a specific programme you had in mind? (by the way I am aware that Southend actually got Meridian/TVS pictures for some of the time in the 80's and 90's from Bluebell Hill, due to its' geographically low position - this makes no difference as to where specific regional archiving ought to be concerned....) |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jun 30, 2011 10:00:09 GMT
Cheers Ray thought it might be Anglia TV .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 10:17:02 GMT
The following films in the Screen South East Archive, are not ones with a regional focus (i.e not Southern or BBC with a South East focus) the Way We Live, Tyne Tees, 1958 About Religion, ATV, 01/03/59 Road Across the Tamar, Westward, 1962 the Displaced Persons, BBC, 1964 Scene at 630, Granada, 1965 (ONE EPISODE ONLY) I do not include the LNLU (dealt with 2 years back). Any feedback welcome.... Hmm, I understood that there were no complete Scene At 6.30 existing (only inserts / film reports and some clips, notably some Beatles material). So if this is a genuine complete edition with studio links then it's a real find! |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 30, 2011 10:35:27 GMT
It's 6.39 seconds of material - not much, but....well, better than nowt!
Here it is:-
""http://sasesearch.brighton.ac.uk/view/?from=search&fromid=adv%3D1%26search%3Dparkinson&film=7051
Date 1965
Production Granada
Genre/Type
Professional;
Documentary
Theme Family life
Summary Michael Parkinson narrates a 1965 documentary on an Ockenden Venture home in Yorkshire, run by Mr. and Mrs. Lovell.
Description "From the North Granada presents... from "Scene at 6.30"... The Ockenden Venture, Home for Refugee Children, Bickerton Grange, Wetherby, Yorks... with Mr. and Mrs. Lovell, Houseparents."
Sixteen children live in the Lovell's family home, twelve are from camps in Germany and four are English orphans. The children are "not simply cared for, but grafted into the family." Children play cricket in the garden. In an interview, Mr. Lovell admits "it can be rather trying... but on the one or two occasions when we are free of them it doesn't feel right." Their own children are integrated with the refugee intake; "we can never take the place of mother and father but perhaps we can help them through these difficult years." "It is more of a question of being an aunt and an uncle," says Mrs. Lovell. They live off a low income from Ockenden Venture to provide a home for the children.
"Devised and narrated by Michael Parkinson. The Ockenden Venture provides home, health and education for refugee children from Europe and Tibet."
Keywords Charities; Children; Domestic Gardens; Social Problems; Family
Location
Regional Yorkshire
National
England;
United Kingdom
Credits
Narrator Michael Parkinson
Format
16mm ;
Black & White;
Sound
Duration 6 mins 39 secs
Viewing copy
location Screen Archive South East, University of Brighton""
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 30, 2011 11:14:13 GMT
The BFI listing - which doesn't mean they have it - is "Bickerton Grange".
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 30, 2011 16:19:16 GMT
ITN Source don't have it though.
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Post by Ken Griffin on Jun 30, 2011 21:40:33 GMT
No doubt there is a local twist to all the programmes, but....still intriguing. It's not really - there was considerable programme traffic between the ITV companies in the 1960s and 1970s. It seems that if companies needed to exchange material and it wasn't time sensitive, the material was physically sent to where it was required. There's quite a bit of documentation at UTV which records a diverse range of companies borrowing its material. Most of this material came back but some of it went astray along the way. For national programmes shown at different times of the year in different regions, there might even have been a bicycling system in place, which seems to explain how Sing Me A Fantasy wound up at UTV. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 1, 2011 12:40:21 GMT
The Lewenhak films in Screen South East seem to be have been donations from his connection, in this instance, although, Ken, you are, of course right!
Having researched online a huge amount, I believe that Road Across the Tamar and the Way We Live - fantastic pieces of social history - are in the Screen South East archive for that reason, and are not in the regional archives they """should""" be for that reason - donation. In that way, they are finds of sorts, and I will put them on my personal list of 'finds'. SWFTA have been made aware of the Tamar Bridge doc.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jul 1, 2011 14:46:04 GMT
Trying to find out for ages did Southend/Leigh/Chalkwell areas have their own test card?
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