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Post by felixdembinski on Dec 4, 2010 11:35:19 GMT
Does anyone know anything about this. It's a bit of a sequel to Dead of Night and ran for 6 episodes, 2 are missing on of which was a Nigel Kneale play. As far as I can tell the stories were based on fairy tales and had the titles of fairy tales, but were modern interpretations of them. Does anyone know what happened in them or watched them at the time of broadcast.
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Post by Simon Smith on Dec 4, 2010 13:04:38 GMT
Does anyone know anything about this. It's a bit of a sequel to Dead of Night and ran for 6 episodes, 2 are missing on of which was a Nigel Kneale play. As far as I can tell the stories were based on fairy tales and had the titles of fairy tales, but were modern interpretations of them. Does anyone know what happened in them or watched them at the time of broadcast. According to lostshows.com, 2 episodes "Sleeping Beauty" and "Jack and the Beanstalk" are missing. "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" exists, but as a black-and-white film print, rather than the original 2" colour videotape. The other 3 episodes, whatever they are, still exist as colour videotape. Would it be wrong to request that the administrators place a link to lostshows.com in an obvious space on the main page of this website? |
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Post by felixdembinski on Dec 4, 2010 13:19:10 GMT
I had checked on lost shows for this, I couldn't find it anywhere else. There is an article about it in the Mausoleum Club, but that doesn't say anything about what actually happens in the stories.
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 16, 2010 16:49:17 GMT
Does anyone know anything about this. It's a bit of a sequel to Dead of Night and ran for 6 episodes, 2 are missing on of which was a Nigel Kneale play. As far as I can tell the stories were based on fairy tales and had the titles of fairy tales, but were modern interpretations of them. Does anyone know what happened in them or watched them at the time of broadcast. Hi Felix - That was another surprise that it was any sequel to DEAD OF NIGHT. I didn't know of any connection; but it does share part of the same production team; who also worked on THEATRE 625 c. 1970 too. I saved down the following and presume therefore that this is all that exists but nevertheless sounds interesting and offbeat which is why I saved it; also in case I half recall it should I ever see it again. This was on Infax why I assume it's the only surviving. HANSEL AND GRETHEL (tx 31.3.74) 'Next in series THE SNOW QUEEN'. 'Previous in series THE WATER MAIDEN'. Abandoned by their Parents in the woods, Hansel and Grethel came to the house of a Witch who wanted to eat them. But Grethel pushed her into her own oven and killed her. Then Brother and Sister returned home together and lived together - so the tale runs - in great Happiness.. INNES LLOYD Producer LOUIS MARKS Script writer ROGER JENKINS director DAVID McKENZIE designer BRENDA BRUCE contributer to info (don't know if this is a member of the cast). Series of 13. THE SNOW QUEEN (tx: 7.4.74) 'Next in series HETROSEXUALITY' Once upon a time a horrible Goblin made a mirror which distorted everything in it. What was beautiful became ugly. This mirror broke into millions of tiny pieces which ever since have been floating around our innocent world.. (LESLEY DOWN contributer again maybe a member of cast). INNES LLOYD producer JOHN BOWEN script writer PAUL CIAPPESSONI director GUTHRIE HUTTON designer (Category DRAMA). That following play sounds like it might have been a topical piece on homosexuality surprise it wasn't kept if so. Presume this was on BBC2 doesn't sound like a typical BBC1 product. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 17:23:18 GMT
Would it be wrong to request that the administrators place a link to lostshows.com in an obvious space on the main page of this website? It's a good idea, Simon. Only trouble is, no one seems to read guideline threads of any kind (no matter how prominently they are positioned). I've lost count of the amount of times i've found myself pointing out forum rules to newcomers simply because they have not been bothered to look at a thread titled "forum rules"! Same goes for people starting new threads asking "does x series exist?" The answer is, of course, LOOK AT THE KALEIDOSCOPE LOST SHOWS DATABASE AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES, FOLKS!! It's at: www.lostshows.com/ |
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 18, 2010 16:54:52 GMT
Does anyone know anything about this. It's a bit of a sequel to Dead of Night and ran for 6 episodes, 2 are missing on of which was a Nigel Kneale play. As far as I can tell the stories were based on fairy tales and had the titles of fairy tales, but were modern interpretations of them. Does anyone know what happened in them or watched them at the time of broadcast. Hi Felix - That was another surprise that it was any sequel to DEAD OF NIGHT. I didn't know of any connection; but it does share part of the same production team; who also worked on THEATRE 625 c. 1970 too. I saved down the following and presume therefore that this is all that exists but nevertheless sounds interesting and offbeat which is why I saved it; also in case I half recall it should I ever see it again. This was on Infax why I assume it's the only surviving. HANSEL AND GRETHEL (tx 31.3.74) 'Next in series THE SNOW QUEEN'. 'Previous in series THE WATER MAIDEN'. Abandoned by their Parents in the woods, Hansel and Grethel came to the house of a Witch who wanted to eat them. But Grethel pushed her into her own oven and killed her. Then Brother and Sister returned home together and lived together - so the tale runs - in great Happiness.. INNES LLOYD Producer LOUIS MARKS Script writer ROGER JENKINS director DAVID McKENZIE designer BRENDA BRUCE contributer to info (don't know if this is a member of the cast). Series of 13. THE SNOW QUEEN (tx: 7.4.74) 'Next in series HETROSEXUALITY' Once upon a time a horrible Goblin made a mirror which distorted everything in it. What was beautiful became ugly. This mirror broke into millions of tiny pieces which ever since have been floating around our innocent world.. (LESLEY DOWN contributer again maybe a member of cast). INNES LLOYD producer JOHN BOWEN script writer PAUL CIAPPESSONI director GUTHRIE HUTTON designer (Category DRAMA). That following play sounds like it might have been a topical piece on homosexuality surprise it wasn't kept if so. Presume this was on BBC2 doesn't sound like a typical BBC1 product. Still I think it was a good idea to raise this obscure series for discussion. There does seem to be a contrast from what you quote and what I looked up. As these (as above) are the only ones that appeared with details on the BBCs Infax prototype I think that must be right. In regard to the series titles; the play 'Heterosexuality' seems at loggerheads witht the other ones. That sounds either like a documentary edition of a drama series (?!); like some SCENE (BBC); or implies the subject matter of the series varied. Most of the others seem to be either a Grimms type fairytale blueprint for a contemporary slant with satire? I don't know if these were just offbeat general dramas or linked to the horror / supernatural plays of DEAD OF NIGHT or not studying the titles I know of. |
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 19, 2010 20:52:55 GMT
I had checked on lost shows for this, I couldn't find it anywhere else. There is an article about it in the Mausoleum Club, but that doesn't say anything about what actually happens in the stories. I'll have a look at that; I'm still curious as the subject matter seems debateable (i.e. is it straight drama or a mixture etc). |
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 19, 2010 21:07:30 GMT
Does anyone know anything about this. It's a bit of a sequel to Dead of Night and ran for 6 episodes, 2 are missing on of which was a Nigel Kneale play. As far as I can tell the stories were based on fairy tales and had the titles of fairy tales, but were modern interpretations of them. Does anyone know what happened in them or watched them at the time of broadcast. According to lostshows.com, 2 episodes "Sleeping Beauty" and "Jack and the Beanstalk" are missing. "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" exists, but as a black-and-white film print, rather than the original 2" colour videotape. The other 3 episodes, whatever they are, still exist as colour videotape. Would it be wrong to request that the administrators place a link to lostshows.com in an obvious space on the main page of this website? According to that article then 4 exist which must include the ones I mentioned. INFAX usually only poted the info on existing material but perhaps had not had all the info added as a prototype. You're right it was connected loosely to DEAD OF NIGHT. That play 'heterosexuality' must have been an erroneous listing from another series or possibly a documnentary / live debate relating to an issue in one of the series? Doesn't fit with the rest!! |
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 23, 2010 17:55:42 GMT
From the Mausoleum article the following conclusion:
It was a series of 6 plays, not 13; the Infax prototype entry probably merged details with another series.
The series was branded a 'natural successor to DEAD OF NIGHT' as it shared the production team and the place it was made (regionally). DEAD OF NIGHT was planned to be repeated as a precursor in to the new series; but only 'RETURN FLIGHT' ended up being repeated 'to plug a gap'. Possibly that's why that tape escaped the wiper?
Again 'HETEROSEXUALITY' is an error as it is not a play in this series no wonder it didn't seem to fit!
From the looks of the article this series looks a cross between PLAY FOR TODAY; MENACE and DEAD OF NIGHT. To fill in the list:
1. GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS (Alan Plater) (B+W T/R)
'If you go down to the woods today you're sure of a big surprise. Miss Goldie (Angharad Rees) finds it's no picnic at the Burries'.
2. THE WATER MAIDEN (Andrew Davies) director Kenneth Ives (VT)
Once upon a time Colin (Jeff Rawle); could charm the birds off the trees - but can he keep them when he's got them?
(includes stock music of THE ELECTRIC BANANA playing 'What's Good for the Goose'. Colin appears to be in a rock band from existing stills).
3. SLEEPING BEAUTY (17.5.74) director David Maloney. ( - )
(used Chopin Nocturnes and the Electric Banana).
4. JACK AND THE BEANSTALK (Nigel Kneale) ( - )
Director Paul Ciapossoni
'Up up and away Jack climbed. At the top it was all flat spreading away before him and from the distance came frightening sounds'.
Cast included Pater Jeffrey.
5. HANSEL AND GRETEL (VT)
'You get out and meet and the children but are Gertie and her Brother ready to face the harsh reality of the world?'
6. THE SNOW QUEEN (VT)
(music included Bob Dylan)
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Post by Steve Williams on Dec 31, 2010 16:20:09 GMT
I actually have the Radio Times for the run of this series, and in fact the first episode was on the cover of the issue of 2nd-8th March 1974, with Angharad Rees in bed with three stuffed bears. The accompanying feature is less about the series than about the continuing interest in fairy tales, however.
Anyway, the first episode was on Sunday 3rd March 1974 at 9.50pm on BBC2 (though the alternative schedule in the RT points out it would have been at 8.55pm had the three day week and 10.30 closedowns still been going on) and it's billed thus...
9.50 Colour, New Series
BEDTIME STORES
GOLDILOCKS AND THE THREE BEARS by ALAN PLATER
"The question is Miss Goldie, who is to go down to the woods today? Sorry, office joke... there's a cosy little family on the Backwoods Estate... it's a clearance area, except it hasn't yet been cleared."
Joe HAROLD GOODWIN Miss Goldie ANGHARAD REES Ivy Burr ROSEMARY LEACH Arthur Burr BRYAN PRINGLE Lennie Burr DAI BRADLEY Simon JOHN HARTLEY Mr Mills FRANK MILLS Harry GEORGE WARING Narrator CHARLES LLOYD PACK
Script Editor LOUIS MARKS Designer DAPHNE SHORTMAN Producer INNES LLOYD Director JONATHAN ALWYN
All the RT billings are simply quotes from the programmes. On Sunday 10th March at 10.15pm was The Water Maiden by Andrew Davies, with Jeff Rawle and Cheryl Hall heading the cast. Show three, at 10.05 on Sunday 17th March, was Sleeping Beauty by Julian Bond, wih Kathleen Michael top of the cast list.
Show four on Sunday 24th March at 10.05pm was Jack and the Beanstalk by Nigel Kneale, with Martin C Thurley as Jack. On Sunday 31st March at 9.55 was Hansel and Gretel by Louis Marks with Raymond Francis and Brenda Bruce in the lead roles, and finally on Sunday 7th April at 10.15 was The Snow Queen by John Bowen.
There was no cast crossover between the episodes, and each had a different director. I suspect "heterosexuality" is an unrelated show from several years later than happened to share the same name, presumably some kind of documentary about sex.
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Post by felixdembinski on Dec 31, 2010 20:27:48 GMT
It shares alot of the same cast as dead of night, Writer Louis Marks, Producer Innes Lloyd, Director PAUL CIAPPESSONI abd Writer JOHN BOWEN
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