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Post by Stuart on Sept 24, 2004 13:30:20 GMT
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Post by William Martin on Sept 24, 2004 15:16:41 GMT
so how many episodes are missing now?
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Post by RMF on Sept 24, 2004 19:41:17 GMT
so how many episodes are missing now? Technically speaking, "The Honeymooners" only aired for one season as a program, and all 39 episodes have been aired over and over for many years. What has been surfacing over the last 20 or so years are "Honeymooners" bits as done on the various TV programs of Jackie Gleason. Of these, those that he did from 1966 to 1970 in color are rerun on American cable, those that he did from 1952 to 1957 (or so) are the so-called "Lost Honeymooners" that have been shown since the mid-1980's, most (but not all) of his work on "Cavalcade of Stars" was dumped (along with the rest of the DuMont TV Archive) in the East River sometime in the 1970's, and I have no clue about "Jackie Gleason and his American Scene Magazine". |
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Post by H Hartley on Sept 24, 2004 20:44:06 GMT
most (but not all) of his work on "Cavalcade of Stars" was dumped (along with the rest of the DuMont TV Archive) in the East River sometime in the 1970's, and I have no clue about "Jackie Gleason and his American Scene Magazine". Well Hell's bells! not only were the BBC dumping Dr Who et all in landfill sites in the 1970s, over the other side of the pond the Americans were at it too! |
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Post by RMF on Sept 24, 2004 20:49:46 GMT
Well Hell's bells! not only were the BBC dumping Dr Who et all in landfill sites in the 1970s, over the other side of the pond the Americans were at it too! Depends on the programing. The ABC, NBC, and CBS primetime vault- no junkings. The NBC and CBS sports archives, all three of the networks' daytime and late-night archives, ABC's, NBC's and (I believe) CBS' news archive- gone, for the most part. |
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Post by Kevin Segura on Sept 25, 2004 1:29:38 GMT
The CBS News archive (though it doesn't include a lot in the way of nightly news broadcasts prior to the 70's) was retained by the network, and the access to the documentaries and News Specials in it are administered by the BBC.
-Kevin
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Post by BPearce on Sept 25, 2004 3:16:08 GMT
Of these, those that he did from 1966 to 1970 in color are rerun on American cable, those that he did from 1952 to 1957 (or so) are the so-called "Lost Honeymooners" that have been shown since the mid-1980's, most (but not all) of his work on "Cavalcade of Stars" was dumped (along with the rest of the DuMont TV Archive) in the East River sometime in the 1970's, and I have no clue about "Jackie Gleason and his American Scene Magazine". The "color" Honeymooners segments were to have been shown on "The Hallmark Channel" in the US -- this was announced, but never came about (for reasons I'm not clear on). I'm not sure they've ever turned up anywhere else. (I've seen a few clips in a retrospective about the series; they're sort of strange and creepy in their own way -- the principal cast looks much older than the 10-15 years that have passed, and the sets look ridiculously cheap in color.) Jackie Gleason and his American Scene Magazine is probably still held by either Jackie Gleason Enterprises or by CBS, as are You're In The Picture (the one-off game show he hosted for the network in the 1960s), and the program that went out the following week in it's time slot, where he apologized for it. |
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Sept 25, 2004 6:19:29 GMT
Well Hell's bells! not only were the BBC dumping Dr Who et all in landfill sites in the 1970s, over the other side of the pond the Americans were at it too! To be fair, this was the DuMont network, which had ceased operations in the mid 1950s. As I heard it, there was a lengthy and aggravated legal battle over the fate of the DuMont library, which was "solved" one night by an enterprising lawyer arranging to have the entire library dumped in the East River. Suddenly, the following morning, it was no longer a problem... |
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Post by Richard Fitzgerald on Sept 25, 2004 14:22:51 GMT
To be fair, this was the DuMont network, which had ceased operations in the mid 1950s. As I heard it, there was a lengthy and aggravated legal battle over the fate of the DuMont library, which was "solved" one night by an enterprising lawyer arranging to have the entire library dumped in the East River. Suddenly, the following morning, it was no longer a problem... This story was famously recited by Edie Adams at a congressional hearing into archive policy. This was something of a crusade for her after her experience when her husband comedian Ernie Kovacs died. She had to spend most of the insurance money she received after his death on buying up his tapes from the NBC archive. That's the only reason the bulk of his (incredibly innovative and original) output survives. Edie's a real heroine as far as TV preservation is concerned |
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Post by RMF on Sept 25, 2004 15:02:40 GMT
The "color" Honeymooners segments were to have been shown on "The Hallmark Channel" in the US -- this was announced, but never came about (for reasons I'm not clear on). I'm not sure they've ever turned up anywhere else. . They air on the GoodLife television network. |
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Post by Ricardo01 on Sept 25, 2004 20:30:37 GMT
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Post by Ron Merritt on Sept 27, 2004 12:46:09 GMT
Does anyone know of any good American sites for missing episodes? It took me a long while to find anything about the lost Honeymooners return, and first found out on a British site! It might be amazing how much American stuff is still out there if there were forums and sites like this in the states so people would know to look. I recently heard about the 3000 episodes found of Hollywood squares and most of the Milton Berl Show. And those were just from warehouses and archives.
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Post by Andrew Timm on Oct 1, 2004 7:44:06 GMT
slightly off-topic here, but I read somewhere years ago that one the US networks did indeed go on a junking spree back in I believe the early 70's. Amongst the junked material included loads of old "Tonight Show" and Groucho's "You Bet Your Life" episodes, but no major sitcoms/dramas. What's more there are various pilots, quickly-canceled US shows that do get wiped obviously.
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