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Post by Steve Riley on Jan 23, 2010 12:54:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 19:13:41 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Jan 23, 2010 19:28:35 GMT
Colour Recovery ?
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jan 24, 2010 10:23:16 GMT
Who sang the theme?if i recall rightly it was quite catchy
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 24, 2010 11:45:49 GMT
Who sang the theme?if i recall rightly it was quite catchy it was a mickey take on Alexander's teenage arrogance something like "Alexander.. Alexander your the greatest, take a step right up there and take a bow, the sun shines right down on you" I think it was the same bloke who did the New Faces titles "your a star, your a star" was that Carl Wayne of The Move? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2010 16:13:17 GMT
No. Apparently ITV t/s have the sub-carrier switched off. |
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Post by Jeff Leach on Jan 24, 2010 17:30:06 GMT
No. Apparently ITV t/s have the sub-carrier switched off. Lost shows doesn't state whether the tele recording is in colour or b/w could we be in luck ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2010 17:49:39 GMT
They're b/w although it's generally assumed that most t/rs are b/w unless otherwise stated as so few colour ones were made by comparison anyway.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 24, 2010 23:28:08 GMT
I maybe wrong but wasnt the ATV Des Oconnor Network release sourced from colour tele recordings?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 9:46:44 GMT
As far as I know, these were all from the original colour VT.
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Post by davemachin on Jan 25, 2010 10:34:41 GMT
I remember watching this too. Wasn't Adrienne Posta and Sidney Tafler (playing her dad?) in it? Also her kid brother was the boy from Catweazle (I forget his name but the one from the second series and not Robin Davies).
I would like to see a release of this series on dvd. The lost shows listing is confusing though as it lists 11 episodes existing on film out of 13 and then goes on to say at the bottom that 11 out of 13 are missing! Surely it means that 11 out of 13 are existing with just two missing?
Dave
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 25, 2010 15:22:11 GMT
I remember watching this too. Wasn't Adrienne Posta and Sidney Tafler (playing her dad?) in it? Also her kid brother was the boy from Catweazle (I forget his name but the one from the second series and not Robin Davies). I would like to see a release of this series on dvd. The lost shows listing is confusing though as it lists 11 episodes existing on film out of 13 and then goes on to say at the bottom that 11 out of 13 are missing! Surely it means that 11 out of 13 are existing with just two missing? Dave Yes I think it means existing in their original format, but as you say can be a little confusing. I understood there was a couple of NTSC VTRs knocking about? not for the American market - as British comedy was totally dead in the water in the US until Python arrived there in the late 1970s- but it was probably piloted in Canada especially with the Libby Morris (who played Mum) connection? Likewise Morcambe & Wise ATV shows were a hit in Canada but went down like a lead balloon in the USA. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 16:24:14 GMT
Must admit, I found that listing confusing too! If they don't count b/w episodes as existing then surely that should say 13 out of 13 are missing?!?
I would also like to see this one again as I watched it at the time. ATV were pretty much the worst of the main ITV companies archivally in the '70s and early '80s, with so much of their colour output existing quite late on as only b/w t/rs (or not at all). Strange thing is they were pretty good in the '60s! They obviously didn't keep much later drama / comedy stuff on colour VT at all, whereas most of the other main producers such as LWT, Yorkshire, Granada and (to a slightly lesser extent) Thames did, generally.
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Post by simoncoward on Jan 26, 2010 15:09:34 GMT
Perhaps you could suggest a better way of displaying/phrasing the situation. The last thing we want to do is confuse someone who might otherwise have some missing material or deter anyone from returning something which might improve the archive holding.
The whole point of the Lost Shows website is not to furnish a cloud of doom and gloom over what's missing, nor to answer the academic question "Does xxxx exist?", but to help people who think they might have something worth returning discover whether or not that is the case. So it seems to us self-evident and important, not only to report on - but also to distinguish between - programmes which don't survive at all and programmes which survive incomplete or on some medium which is in some way seriously inferior to the original. And to display items in both camps when they match someone's search criteria.
If the site gave the impression that programmes were completely lost just because they were in b/w rather than in colour or on film rather than on tape I'm sure we'd come in for a lot of flack. Also, people with b/w 16mm prints of colour shows who then approached us, the BFI, the BBC or the ITV companies only to be told, "we got that already," might lose some incentive to report something else they found later which genuinely - and completely - was missing, because the website made no distinction between the two.
That said, all the talk about colour recovery and VidFIRE shows that people do want these programmes to be restored as a close to their original state as possible. If something survived only in b/w and someone out there had any kind of colour video recording then, even if it wasn't a master recording, combined with the current holding the two together might produce something better than either - which can only be a good thing.
At the moment, the website refers to these as "missing or incomplete" and perhaps the word 'incomplete' is the problem. So, I can only reiterate what I said at the start, if you think you can improve the way the website communicates this information then by all means, make some suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 16:17:21 GMT
All good points that you raise, Simon. I think the word incomplete is misleading though and the impression given at a glance is that because something only exists in b.w, it's still regarded as missing. Personally I think the terminology is over-complex generally. I'd just amend the following phrases to read:
"A 16mm b/w film print exists although the programme was originally made using 2" colour videotape" (adding the words "b/w" and "colour" in the appropriate places as some may think the 16mm prints were colour anyway)
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""2 episodes are fully missing out of a total of 13" (because that's all that are actually missing - it's just that the 11 existing ones aren't colour copies).
Changes in bold. It's nothing major but it makes things clearer to the uninitiated.
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