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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 18, 2009 14:21:39 GMT
It's odd they didn't keep this one considering the Beatles connection (they weren't an obscure beat group by '69). YTV have been pretty good with their archiving as a whole though and I so find it hard to criticise them unduly! There was mention in a recent issue of Record Collector of an existing '68 colour special made by that company featuring Tony Hatch that I hadn't even heard of before! If that one was kept, you'd have thought that WALHFMF would have been too (archives do still hold on to recordings, even when there's little chance of a repeat). . It was called 'Mr and Mrs Music ' Lawrence and featured Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent going through there song catalogue with various artists and a ruddy great orchestra. Another obscurity from that era was 'Marvelous Party' from LWT which was the song catologue of Noel Coward, but featured a very rare performance of actor Lawrence Harvey hosting and singing on a music programme. |
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Post by davemachin on Nov 18, 2009 14:28:39 GMT
Another obscurity from that era was 'Marvelous Party' from LWT which was the song catologue of Noel Coward, but featured a very rare performance of actor Lawrence Harvey hosting and singing on a music programme. Does this exist, Peter and do you have a date for it? I'd never heard of it. On the topic of Noel Coward, am looking forward to a dvd of A Choice Of Coward released in the new year by Network. Granada plays from 1964. Sounds very promising. Dave |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 18, 2009 14:30:51 GMT
Go on Ray, explain then. I am dying to know. Dave The audio only survives from Ringo's Octopus's Garden. Let me explain. You're aware of the miming ban, and the additional 'problem' that they had here was that Ringo was appearing solo - he hadn't yet done the Sentimental Journey album, so it was either an original track (like he had done with Cilla in 1968, standards being covered) or do a Beatles song - but without the Beatles on it! With Abbey Road still being in the Top 50, I think, the decision was obviously made for Mr Starkey to sing Octopus's Garden, which of course George produced. What was then done was the guitar, bass and piano (there is a very quiet piano on the original recording) were replaced by unnamed session musicians playing those instuments. Ringo's drums and vocals remained, as do the Beatles 'sound effects'. This was then used on the special. The recording turned up with the famous 'Barrett Tapes', high quality cassette dubs made by the late John Barrett, who was the first man to catalogue the Beatles recordings at EMI. This is all reported in Mark Lewisohn's book 'The Beatles Complete Recording Sessions'. The 'Yorkshire TV version' is available on bootlegs - in high quality stereo! - such as the Barrett Tapes bootlegs - (I think it's CD 5 or 6 on those) - and it is markedly different from the Abbey Road album recording. It's easy to find doing the rounds on the collector's market. Incidentally, the INSTRUMENTAL (i.e no LIVE vocals) or Bowie's 1972 'Starman' on TOTP is also available on the collector's market. Odd that this should be in existence! |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 18, 2009 15:06:15 GMT
Another obscurity from that era was 'Marvelous Party' from LWT which was the song catologue of Noel Coward, but featured a very rare performance of actor Lawrence Harvey hosting and singing on a music programme. Does this exist, Peter and do you have a date for it? I'd never heard of it. On the topic of Noel Coward, am looking forward to a dvd of A Choice Of Coward released in the new year by Network. Granada plays from 1964. Sounds very promising. Dave absolutely no idea if it survives or not Dave. but it bobbed up and down the regions around Xmas 1968. I would suspect some regions rejected it all together? For example I would not expect Noel Coward (at that time) to have a great fan base in Newcastle or Barnsley? but maybe wrong. This was a period when LWT had not found its feet and was making lots of high brow programmes that were not popular. |
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Post by cperry on Nov 18, 2009 17:48:32 GMT
Marvellous Party has been wiped.
I checked on those complete Stars on Sunday.
Two 1972 editions were kept on 2", bought back in the 1970s. The 1974 edition does not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 19:45:40 GMT
Thanks Chris.
Just wondering how much other stuff the BFI lists as being in it's archive which isn't actually there though.
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Post by Larry Dutch on Nov 19, 2009 14:56:33 GMT
Thanks Chris. Just wondering how much other stuff the BFI lists as being in it's archive which isn't actually there though. Very good question Laurence. Chris - are you able to confirm if the BFI do indeed hold a collection (or any?) of Five O'Clock Funfair episodes circa 1965 as listed on their database? 26 are listed - do any indeed survive? Cheers LD |
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Post by davemachin on Nov 19, 2009 15:16:43 GMT
Is this in any way connected to Five OClock Club, Larry? I hadn't heard of this one. Who made it? It does sound interesting. 26 of anything from 1965 sounds hopeful but fingers crossed.
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Post by cperry on Nov 19, 2009 17:19:29 GMT
No Five O'Clock Club exist at all last time I checked.
The BFI Database contains information for thousands of shows they do not hold. Only if you have access to the private in-house system can you check holdings.
It's the same for ITN source, it's a record of what's made, not what is kept. Only Sigma can give you that information.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 19, 2009 17:30:32 GMT
I expect someone's thought of this already, but....
shows such as Ask Aspel and Points of View utilized clips from other shows, as did Nationwide on occasions....I can't think of ITV ones of the top of my head, maybe Today, for an example....but my point is some will have fragments surely. I have a copy of a clip (fairly common one) of Aspel interviewing Kate Bush in late '78; even if these have tiny fragments of shows it's better than nothing....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 17:49:08 GMT
No Five O'Clock Club exist at all last time I checked. The BFI Database contains information for thousands of shows they do not hold. Only if you have access to the private in-house system can you check holdings. c Larry was asking about something called Five O Clock FUNFAIR though, Chris, not Five O Clock Club (not that i've heard of it myself). My own comment querying if the BFI have everything that they claim to in their archive is based on what they say they have in their holdings book "A For Andromeda To Zoo Time", Chris - not what's on the database (which i'm aware is only a list of things that were made rather than archived). The book is (supposedly) a listing purely of what's in their archive, which was where I got the info on the three Stars On Sunday editions they claimed to hold. It turns out that one of them isn't there at all though, hence my comment! |
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Post by cperry on Nov 19, 2009 19:39:43 GMT
That book has many inaccuracies sadly.
No Five O'Clock Funfair either as far as I know.
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Post by johnstewart on Nov 20, 2009 17:24:40 GMT
Marvellous Party has been wiped. I checked on those complete Stars on Sunday. Two 1972 editions were kept on 2", bought back in the 1970s. The 1974 edition does not exist. c Thanks for verifying Chris; I must say I would rather have the 2 1972 ones given choice between that and 74. |
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Post by johnstewart on Nov 20, 2009 17:25:48 GMT
The details you asked for on Stars On Sunday are to be found under the new thread on archive queries, John. I've moved all the Stars On Sunday there too. Thanks Laurence |
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Post by johnstewart on Nov 27, 2009 20:55:58 GMT
I expect someone's thought of this already, but.... shows such as Ask Aspel and Points of View utilized clips from other shows, as did Nationwide on occasions....I can't think of ITV ones of the top of my head, maybe Today, for an example....but my point is some will have fragments surely. I have a copy of a clip (fairly common one) of Aspel interviewing Kate Bush in late '78; even if these have tiny fragments of shows it's better than nothing.... The only problem is; I remember bringing that point up before; and feedback said 'TODAY' was live with inserts. As a result the only complete show people know of is the Sex Pistols one. And no more info to date unfortunately. BBCs Senior Technician Andrew Martin pointed out there's very few 'Ask Aspel' which is also a shame. I think 2 from '70; 3 from '71 and a handful more pre 1977. And incredibly the Kate Bush one; even that late was documented as missing for some reason. 'Points of View' I researched myself. It started in 1962 and was another live magazine show; but they seemed to have telerecorded it quite regularly during the first two years. There were a lot of interesting clips on 'Junior Points of View' between 1966 and 1970; but again; seems only to be one from 1966 and one from 1970 archived. Andrew Martin said some segments of 1968 'Points of View' editions exist as the Technicians were telerecording the previous or next programmes and left the T/R camera running over at either end. I think some of these review shows may also exist on 'Talkback' in clip from themselves. Bizarre though as it would be existing clips of missing review shows that showed wiped programmes. |
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