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Post by Peter Stirling on Sept 16, 2009 13:33:54 GMT
Had an interesting read from an old trade magazine dating back to 1972 . Apparently since around 1970 after serious concern from the public that programmes they loved were no more. The responsibility of doing something about it was left in The National Film Archive's lap.
After this, the board of the NFA was to meet every couple of months to discuss what television programmes had come to mind
that deserved to be preserved for prosperity ,on the basis that it would be impossible to store everything ever made.
At their present meeting (early 1972) they had decided that a cross selection of editions of The Skys The Limit and Stars on Sunday should be kept by them and still be accessable to someone in a hundred years time.
Well that turned out to be a load of old bolloxs then didnt it? just what did they do at those meetings ?
Whats left of Stars on Sunday ? about half an N1500 tape IIRC.
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Post by Mark Smith on Sept 16, 2009 14:25:41 GMT
Well that turned out to be a load of old bolloxs then didnt it? just what did they do at those meetings ? Little more than drink tea and pontificate by the sounds of it!!  |
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Post by cperry on Sept 16, 2009 17:27:56 GMT
the nftva have a few complete shows on 1500 cassette, ex hughie green, contents unknown. they were returned in the 1990s.
no sky's the limit at all
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Post by John Fleming on Sept 30, 2009 7:44:35 GMT
I believe the Yorkshire TV archives are in a pretty good state, which shoots down the argument that people keep using to defend the BBC that "all the stations were junking shows at the time".
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Post by cperry on Sept 30, 2009 14:04:07 GMT
YTV hold 98% of material. They have never donated anything to the NFTVA without keeping a copy.
The Stars on Sunday masters were wiped a long time ago, just the insert tapes survived.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Oct 2, 2009 12:05:07 GMT
Thanks Chris for taking the time to post that- which I have just noticed- but you see my point that a body was employed as way back as the early 1970s to over see this but dont seemed to have achieved very much at all?
..and thankfully something remains of Jess Yates at his organ
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Post by cperry on Oct 2, 2009 16:23:08 GMT
I agree, NFA has turned down an awful lot over the years including the whole A-R library. But I guess they were constrained by financial and space constraints even then.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Oct 21, 2009 15:36:03 GMT
Patricia Cahill once a famous Irish singer has kindly let the world see some of her own recordings . This is from the post Yates era www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvHOUT7caX8possibly the only copy now? |
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Post by johnstewart on Oct 30, 2009 15:16:26 GMT
It does seem odd that of the comprehensive Yorkshire holdings two of Jess Yates' series (if he did indeed produce 'Junior Showtime') aren't held as complete shows officially.
I would guess the initial insert holdings were for the shows own reuse of clips but if he fell out with someone at the company might explain why the complete shows with him introducing were wiped.
I do recall Jess was removed as front presenter following some kind of sensational newspaper story.
However I also met an ex prop hand from the time during a course I did in the nineties.
He told some background stories to Yorkshire productions. He said despite his Conservative image; Jess Yates was 'a nice bloke and a laugh' and 'would buy drinks for everyone after shows'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 10:54:04 GMT
The details you asked for on Stars On Sunday are to be found under the new thread on archive queries, John. I've moved all the Stars On Sunday there too.
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Post by Larry Dutch on Nov 17, 2009 11:41:31 GMT
YTV hold 98% of material. They have never donated anything to the NFTVA without keeping a copy. c Shame that of the 2% of stuff they no longer hold, this includes the George Martin-hosted special 'With A Little Help From My Friends' (TX: 24/12/69 - w/ guests Spike Milligan, Dudley Moore, Ringo Starr, Lulu, The Hollies and various others). Or does this lurk somewhere in their vaults? |
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Post by cperry on Nov 17, 2009 11:50:15 GMT
It does not exist sadly.
Its likely that perhaps the contract said a once-only screening which was non-negotiable, so it was wiped to comply with legal requirements?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 11:51:17 GMT
It's odd they didn't keep this one considering the Beatles connection (they weren't an obscure beat group by '69). YTV have been pretty good with their archiving as a whole though and I so find it hard to criticise them unduly! There was mention in a recent issue of Record Collector of an existing '68 colour special made by that company featuring Tony Hatch that I hadn't even heard of before! If that one was kept, you'd have thought that WALHFMF would have been too (archives do still hold on to recordings, even when there's little chance of a repeat).
I guess that 2 per cent of missing stuff also includes series 1 and 2 of Sez Les and Castle Haven. Do YTV have all of their earliest schools programmes? I know they have a lot of them including How We Used To Live right back to series 1 in 1968. I wondered about the rest.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 17, 2009 12:34:06 GMT
Very very minor point, but the audio DOES exist of Ringo's Octopus's Garden from the George Martin special 'With A Little Help From My Friends' (in stereo, I can explain how if you REALLY want to know - I actually HAVE a copy of the audio, which is NOT the Beatles Abbey Road version....personal message me, it's a long story...., it's not hard to get hold of)
Also, it's a fallacy it was broadcast simultaneously on all of the ITV network on Xmas Eve; Southern TV broadcast it on Xmas Day at 3pm, the traditional time for the Queen's speech!
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Post by davemachin on Nov 18, 2009 10:17:37 GMT
Go on Ray, explain then. I am dying to know.
Dave
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