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Post by ethantyler on Jun 3, 2005 17:32:13 GMT
The NHP instance just proves there are so many missing programmes out there to be found... The thing I find odd that no one seems that interested in the No Hiding Place episode despite, in this thread and the other thread, there being several available copies. Surely a VHS copy is better than nothing at all? |
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Post by David Buck on Jun 5, 2005 21:52:22 GMT
The particular website is nothing new , I saw it a couple of years back and mentioned it to mr. Fiddy at the time.
The site proprietors were bidding against Kaleidoscope recently for that incomplete play on ebay.
As for the No Hiding Place print , If I recall correctly Andy Henderson mentioned that this was one of the prints held by a collector from Scotland that he was intending to sell at some point. the same seller who sold "Boyd QC - Jellied Eels - they're Luvly" I think.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jun 7, 2005 17:21:39 GMT
[quote The thing I find odd that no one seems that interested in the No Hiding Place episode despite, in this thread and the other thread, there being several available copies. Surely a VHS copy is better than nothing at all? No, it has to be said that you can throw programmes at archives and they still seem indiffreent - unless it's something that's specifically on their hit list! They should take whatever is offered and be grateful. We need as much returned as is humanly possible and can't afford to pick and choose. As far as NHP is concerned, it was a top ITV crime crime drama for many years and as such should be welcomed back with open arms. Especially as there are pitifully few of them existing officially... |
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Post by ethantyler on Jun 7, 2005 23:24:59 GMT
No, it has to be said that you can throw programmes at archives and they still seem indiffreent - unless it's something that's specifically on their hit list! They should take whatever is offered and be grateful. We need as much returned as is humanly possible and can't afford to pick and choose. As far as NHP is concerned, it was a top ITV crime crime drama for many years and as such should be welcomed back with open arms. Especially as there are pitifully few of them existing officially... This reminds me of the discussion about extracts on Doctor Who: The Missing Years - in the past, the BBC weren't interested, however, now they realise the value of such clips. I can't help feeling that in years to come, the BBC (and other archives) are going to wish they had accepted the lesser quality lost archive material as something is better than nothing in the same way that excerpts are better than nothing. I bet the BBC would jump at the chance to have a video copy of Doctor Who: The Tenth Planet 4 or the Moon landing footage - they should try to think of the future rather than look back in hindsight with regret. This attitude really annoys me and makes me wonder why we're all here [at this board]. It's just fortune that we don't all share the BBC's lack of interest, otherwise so much more material would be missing. It's not fair to prioritise (or even give no priority at all) to missing footage as all series have their fans who adore it. I wonder how many fans of No Hiding Place are being deprived the opportunity to see this episode. If it was one of my favourite series (Doctor Who, Doomwatch, Dixon of Dock Green, Z Cars etc.), I'd be very annoyed! |
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Jun 8, 2005 8:49:03 GMT
No, it has to be said that you can throw programmes at archives and they still seem indiffreent - unless it's something that's specifically on their hit list! They should take whatever is offered and be grateful. We need as much returned as is humanly possible and can't afford to pick and choose. As far as NHP is concerned, it was a top ITV crime crime drama for many years and as such should be welcomed back with open arms. Especially as there are pitifully few of them existing officially... This reminds me of the discussion about extracts on Doctor Who: The Missing Years - in the past, the BBC weren't interested, however, now they realise the value of such clips. I can't help feeling that in years to come, the BBC (and other archives) are going to wish they had accepted the lesser quality lost archive material as something is better than nothing in the same way that excerpts are better than nothing. I bet the BBC would jump at the chance to have a video copy of Doctor Who: The Tenth Planet 4 or the Moon landing footage - they should try to think of the future rather than look back in hindsight with regret. This attitude really annoys me and makes me wonder why we're all here [at this board]. It's just fortune that we don't all share the BBC's lack of interest, otherwise so much more material would be missing. It's not fair to prioritise (or even give no priority at all) to missing footage as all series have their fans who adore it. I wonder how many fans of No Hiding Place are being deprived the opportunity to see this episode. If it was one of my favourite series (Doctor Who, Doomwatch, Dixon of Dock Green, Z Cars etc.), I'd be very annoyed! I suspect - and I'm certainly not agreeing - that the BBC and ITV can probably see no way in which to make any money from a copy of NHP. Whilst it may have been popular once, the archive is sufficiently fragmented and the possible fanbase so small (in comparison with TV cult and sf programming) that even a vanilla DVD release through someone like Network or DD might well prove unprofitable. That said, with things like 'Thriller' now seeing the light of day on DVD, anything's possible... Stuart |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jun 8, 2005 10:04:34 GMT
Well, yes - ANYTHING is possible (as has been proved by the numerous DVD releases of relatively obscure series we thought we'd never see again, many of which are lovingly restored). The point has been made (and it's a valid one) that what the BBC, ITV or whoever see as of no interest one day is something they're glad they hung on to the next! The DW clips scenario is a perfect illustration on this.
You'd think the BBC would have learned their lesson by now and welcomed off-air recordings of TOTP / No Hiding Place or whatever with open arms. These things DO have a value and they are certainly better than nothing at all (although they still lack the vision and foresight to see this). If nothing else, these kind of things are invaluable as extras on DVD releases (even if not for the very obvious reason of being a document of something which no longer exists in any other form). This indifference is a depressing scenario for lovers of archive TV, who want to see all this missing material back in the archives. One day the offer of these these recordings will stop...
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Post by ethantyler on Jun 8, 2005 21:17:42 GMT
I suspect - and I'm certainly not agreeing - that the BBC and ITV can probably see no way in which to make any money from a copy of NHP. Whilst it may have been popular once, the archive is sufficiently fragmented and the possible fanbase so small (in comparison with TV cult and sf programming) that even a vanilla DVD release through someone like Network or DD might well prove unprofitable. That said, with things like 'Thriller' now seeing the light of day on DVD, anything's possible... Stuart I think practically everything is marketable providing you treat it the right way. Take Doomwatch, for example. The Volume 1 DVD was handled completely incorrectly, in my opinion. Given a little restoration, a half-decent selection of special features for incentive to buy (including subtitles and chapter selection!), an eye-catching cover and some advertising, the series could be very profitable. You don't even have to do much advertising, just in the right places (maybe a leaflet in the Doctor Who DVDs and banners at online stores). The Volume 1 release wasn't even worthy of a home movie film! To be honest, I know very little about No Hiding Place, but surely the BBC could release "non-profitable series" as budget releases? Prism Leisure do this VERY successfully. I have a lot of their DVDs and they always put together an impressive overall package (usually light on special features, though that's understandable) for £4.99! Nothing that would be of interest to people here, but low-budget films, Birds of a Feather, Lily Savage, cult films, The Lost World... even the Doomwatch film. I don't see why the BBC can't do that too. The Prism Leisure reciepe usually consists of: strong DVD case; high quality, excellent DVD cover; chapter selection, high quality picture, disc with image on top (can't remember the technical term), low price and usually either no extras or surprisingly a lot (see Bride of Chucky - two commentaries and a handful of features). As long as the cover is eye-catching, the blurb on the back is interesting and the price is low, people will take the "risk" of tasting the series. |
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Post by wWilliam on Jun 10, 2005 16:00:17 GMT
what was the name of the budget video company that did those bbc doomwatch releases
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Post by Guest on Jun 10, 2005 16:38:22 GMT
[quote author=ethantyler board=general I don't see why the BBC can't do that too. [/quote]
Easy answer to that. Films (certainly vintage British films) have few outstanding "rights" to obtain. The contributors - actors, music, production staff etc. were paid a ex gratia fee at the time and all subsequent rights for further exploit lie simply with the rights holder.
The BBC (and ITV) drama series etc. were made for one broadcast and one repeat for the most part - over a year or two. After that any further commercial exploit has to be re-negotiated with Equity, the musicians union and the Writers Guild and indeed any other freelance contribution ... this adds considerable time and cost, and is commercially not worth it for the resulting sales in many cases .. especially for obscure stuff.
An exception is the ITC filmed series - which are much simpler to clear (like feature films) ... and explains - in part - why these are so often repeated and re-released.
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