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Post by Andy Howells on Dec 23, 2008 23:24:46 GMT
Apparently, Ed doolan is broadcasting some of his rare Dad's Army recordings on BBC WM on Christmas day.
Does anyone know if its possible to add this station to sky boxes and if so, what frequency?
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Post by longjohn on Dec 26, 2008 16:42:18 GMT
Here's the short audio version of Dad's Army contribution to the 1968 TV programme "Christmas Night With The Stars" that was on Ed's Christman Day programme: www.divshare.com/download/6185393-804 |
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Post by Frank Shailes on Mar 14, 2023 2:41:39 GMT
The page at dadsarmy.fandom.com/wiki/Christmas_Night_with_the_Stars states that the 1970 Christmas Night With the Stars does not exist as audio or video, but that the 1968 one (Present Arms) was later returned as a soundtrack. Is it out of date? C03. The Cornish Floral Dance recorded 1970-12-04 Tx 1970-12-25 The platoon are rehearsing 'The Cornish Floral Dance' alongside the Wardens and some of the ladies of Walmington-on-Sea. Surely this is the 1970 one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=mosbdXo4v04 |
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Post by Frank Shailes on Mar 14, 2023 3:16:00 GMT
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Post by Frank Shailes on Mar 15, 2023 14:22:47 GMT
Ooh, thanks!
Why is The Love of Three Oranges "rare"?
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 15, 2023 15:26:35 GMT
Why is The Love of Three Oranges "rare"? When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, Dad's got very few repeats. But when the Beeb did start repeating it, in the mid Eighties, 'L3' (as it was mysteriously known) was about the only episode never repeated. Or, at any rate, it was one of the very last to be repeated. Almost no one I knew had ever seen it since its first broadcast, and it wasn't even available on a pirate VHS from Australia. So it sort of acquired a reputation for being the rarest (non-missing) episode of all. |
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Post by sonnybh on Mar 15, 2023 21:50:43 GMT
I hadn't heard of this episode being skipped over, I can't remember seeing it during the many repeats though.
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 19, 2023 7:23:37 GMT
All of the Dad's Army 15 minute sketches from Christmas Night with the Stars exist, the so-called "mini episodes", although some survive only as audio. 1968 - Santa on Patrol : Multiple Father Christmases (Ed Doolan's open reel soundtrack) 1969 - Resisting the Aggressor Through the Ages (2-inch PAL videotape) 1970 - The Cornish Floral Dance (DAAS fanclub recording, soundtrack only) 1972 - Broadcast to the Empire (2-inch PAL videotape) There is no Guarding Buckingham Palace sketch. That was from the 1970 Royal Television Gala performance, aired 24th May 1970, taped by the BBC in the presence of HM Queen. This item survives on film. The 1968 mini-ep is NOT called Present Arms (that's from the radio series, where it was the title of the 1974 Christmas Special). The 1968 mini-ep had no official title, but the name Santa on Patrol (sometimes called Santa on Parade) seems to have stuck. Be aware that there are many extant versions of the Floral Dance sketch. In addition to being used in 1970 on Xmas Night with the Stars, it also featured in the radio series on one episode (replacing the Morris Dance routine used in that episode on tv, which was deemed too visual for radio). The radio sketch is often confused with the Xmas night soundtrack. It also exists on video, as an extract from the 1975 Stage Show, filmed by ITV as part of the 1975 Royal Variety Performance in November 1975 at the London Palladium (the venue of the Royal Variety Performance that year). This item survives on film: archive.org/details/royal-variety-performance-1975It also exists in a 4th version, a further separate audio version, derived from the 1975 LP release of songs and sketches from the West End run of the Stage Show (although, IIRC, part at least of the material was recorded during the 1975 pre-London tour, during a week at Billingham). These various versions are not the same sketch, there were many dialogue changes made as the sketch evolved through its various incarnations. One noteable change was the presence of James Beck, in the 1970 recording, but who had passed away before the Stage Show was presented in 1975/76. The Cornish Floral Dance recorded 1970-12-04 Tx 1970-12-25 The platoon are rehearsing 'The Cornish Floral Dance' alongside the Wardens and some of the ladies of Walmington-on-Sea. These are the correct details for the Cornish Floral Dance sketch which formed part of the December 1970 edition of Christmas Night with the Stars. Yes, this soundtrack is the Floral Dance sketch, which was the sketch performed on Christmas Night with the Stars in 1970. |
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 19, 2023 7:35:31 GMT
I hadn't heard of this episode being skipped over, I can't remember seeing it during the many repeats though. During my time with the various fanclubs and fan groups which existed in the 1990s, it was speculated that 'L3' was considered by the Beeb to be too long to repeat, being just over 30 minutes in running time, after David Croft said that the Corporation was unhappy with repeating Dads Army at all because they had adopted a new policy, under which sitcoms produced at that time were not allowed to exceed 27 minutes for a standard half-hour timeslot, as the new management was demanding extra screen time in each half hour to advertise its new shows. Dads was for some years not repeated at all, since nearly all of its episodes ran to 28 or 29 minutes or more. You will recall that many repeats of Dads in the '90s were cut, to meet this demand for shorter episodes. 'L3' had more dialogue than most episodes -- some were extremely heavy on visual gags, which were easy meat for cutting, or so it was said at the time; and we presumed that any episodes not being shown were ones which it was more difficult to cut because they needed dialogue cuts, not just the cutting or trimming of sight-gags. |
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Post by sonnybh on Mar 19, 2023 11:55:39 GMT
I hadn't heard of this episode being skipped over, I can't remember seeing it during the many repeats though. During my time with the various fanclubs and fan groups which existed in the 1990s, it was speculated that 'L3' was considered by the Beeb to be too long to repeat, being just over 30 minutes in running time, after David Croft said that the Corporation was unhappy with repeating Dads Army at all because they had adopted a new policy, under which sitcoms produced at that time were not allowed to exceed 27 minutes for a standard half-hour timeslot, as the new management was demanding extra screen time in each half hour to advertise its new shows. Dads was for some years not repeated at all, since nearly all of its episodes ran to 28 or 29 minutes or more. You will recall that many repeats of Dads in the '90s were cut, to meet this demand for shorter episodes. 'L3' had more dialogue than most episodes -- some were extremely heavy on visual gags, which were easy meat for cutting, or so it was said at the time; and we presumed that any episodes not being shown were ones which it was more difficult to cut because they needed dialogue cuts, not just the cutting or trimming of sight-gags. Right I wasn't aware of this, Fawlty Towers & the Young Ones often ran to close to 35 minutes, the latter at least had some scenes in each episode not related to the main story that could be trimmed out. |
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Post by robkeeley on Mar 20, 2023 17:21:58 GMT
I wasn't aware there had been a problem repeating L3. I still have an off-air recording of when it was shown on BBC1 on Christmas Day 1990 (as part of the "Christmas Comedy Cracker") and it's shown most Christmases now on BBC Two. I can't remember a time when Dad's Army wasn't repeated!
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 21, 2023 2:17:51 GMT
I can't remember a time when Dad's Army wasn't repeated! Lucky you! In the ten years after the show ended in 1977, almost no repeats were aired at all, as you'll notice in BBC Genome. From the late 1980s it began to get repeats on Sunday afternoons but only a few episodes at a time, which considering there are 80 episodes in all was very frustrating. Repeats picked up in frequency during the 1990s, but as this began to happen they began cutting the episodes to reduce their running time, which was equally frustrating. Eventually, the fans gave up on tv and we turned our attention to the video releases, which weren't from the BBC, and which were uncut (as the cuts, in those happier times, were only made for timing reasons). |
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