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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 15:03:15 GMT
Bob was certainly "hardcore" to invest time, energy and money in order to preserve all his materials. He certainly knew the value of that collection. The fact he invested in having older videotapes transferred anew in the 70s to a newer format also confirms this. It all must had cost him a fortune since tapes were definitely not cheap hence a lot of home recorded video material ended up being quickly wiped over whereas Bob was buying new tapes all the time.
I do wonder if he may have the final "Golden Shot" show in colour on videotape. He was begifted with a b+w t/r of that edition but seeing he was taping the shows himself, it makes one wonder if that final show could possibly be recoloured like the Jon Pertwee Doctor Who episodes were in the early 90s.
And it's even more staggering to learn he archived much radio material as well. All these news make me think that 2008 must have been the best year for recoveries yet!
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Post by Greg H on Dec 17, 2008 16:11:39 GMT
Somehow I didnt hear anything about the 9 minutes of ace of wands. Does anyone have any details of what it was exactly??
Cheers!
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Post by davidcastle on Dec 17, 2008 16:41:19 GMT
Monkhouse used to get a hard time didn't he for supposedly betraying comedy by doing lots of game shows. Considering its now obvious he put so much of his wages for those shows back into preserving comedy these complaints are now looking pretty hollow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2008 17:12:59 GMT
Somehow I didnt hear anything about the 9 minutes of ace of wands. Does anyone have any details of what it was exactly?? Cheers! Yes, I think it was mentioned that it's part of a studio recording session for Sisters Deadly (sod's law it couldn't have been something from series 1 or 2!) as was on the end of a recycled tape he used at the time (he used to get old tapes from TV back then for re-use, hence this little item being on there). |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 17:31:53 GMT
Monkhouse used to get a hard time didn't he for supposedly betraying comedy by doing lots of game shows. Considering its now obvious he put so much of his wages for those shows back into preserving comedy these complaints are now looking pretty hollow. Yes, that is true. I do recall Monkhouse being derided for all the game shows in the late 80s and early 90s. Thankfully he got the opportunity to redress the balance when the BBC gave him that live show devoted entirely to his comedy stand up in the mid 90s which was a great reminder of how good he really was. I really enjoyed that and it was a shame it was just the one series but I think he regained his credibility a thousdandfold after that, particularly with younger people who only ever knew him as a game show host. Certainly was the case with me... I'd read a lot about his comedy work but to see him in action was brilliant... a masterclass in fact. And thank goodness he did do that many games shows since indeed that would had helped finance his archive. And even then, you had to hand it to him... he was a superb game show host. |
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Post by Stuart Huggett on Dec 17, 2008 17:33:47 GMT
An update to his Wiki entry is certainly required at some point. The Old Bailey trial is mentioned, but needs an external reference, and details of the destroyed films (as far as is known) would be a useful addition. |
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Post by Chris H on Dec 17, 2008 18:31:51 GMT
hopefully someone will make a tv documentary about this collection as its all fascinating stuff Actually, that's a great idea. There is a good documentary waiting to be made about Bob's life and work. However, one devoted entirely to his archiving would indeed be fascinating and allow us a glimpse of some of the things found in there. This is modern archaeology... plenty of docs on archaeology and finds of ancient material so why not one devoted to the Monkhouse collection? I couldn't agree more, great idea! Maybe such a doc could be part of a Monkhouse archive theme night where a selection of his recordings are aired for the first time? It might even insipre others to come forward with lost footage? Chris. |
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Post by Kevin Clark on Dec 19, 2008 18:43:17 GMT
I look forward to seeing some of Bob's wonderful legacy. I only met him once back in 1970 when I travelled to ATV Birmingham to get his and Anne Aston's autograph following an episode of The Golden Shot. The weather was cold and raining, and she came out of the building and totally ignored me and the other waiting fans, but Bob smiled and stopped to autograph our books. He even asked me who he should dedicate the autograph too - he was getting soaked in the rain but he didn't mind, he was just happy to sign my autograph book and didn't leave until everyone had their autograph.
What a lovely man, and very much missed.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 19, 2008 19:41:37 GMT
A nice memory Kevin. Bob opened quite a few supermarkets in his time and my Gran attended one such opening and said that he was fantastic, taking time to talk to the fans and signing as many autographs as possible.
Shame on Anne Aston for being so stuck up... she's barely remembered now, but Bob lives on. I've always believed in Karma too, so Bob had a full career up to his death and left behind an incredible legacy whereas Anne? Whatever happened to her? What you give out sure comes back to you... sad really since she had a master to learn from!
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Post by David Barron on Dec 19, 2008 20:37:29 GMT
Wouldn't Bob Monkhouse now be regarded as a "knock off nigel" if he was around today. Considering how squeamish certain authorities are about people having their own archives, it is ironic now that his archive has brought up many programmes they have wanted back for years. The other thought is that if he was still alive would he have used peer to peer applications like bit torrent to get programmes/films for his collection.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Dec 20, 2008 9:31:18 GMT
I'm dubious about the claim he had an army. How few people could that be? Would this be to avoid timer recording (which doesn't sound feasible until we get to quite sophisticated VCR machines), or regional variation? How much variation would there be, ITV only or for BBC as well?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Dec 20, 2008 13:01:02 GMT
I look forward to seeing some of Bob's wonderful legacy. I only met him once back in 1970 when I travelled to ATV Birmingham to get his and Anne Aston's autograph following an episode of The Golden Shot. The weather was cold and raining, and she came out of the building and totally ignored me and the other waiting fans, but Bob smiled and stopped to autograph our books. He even asked me who he should dedicate the autograph too - he was getting soaked in the rain but he didn't mind, he was just happy to sign my autograph book and didn't leave until everyone had their autograph. What a lovely man, and very much missed. Maybe Anne didnt think she was important enough to warrent an autograph and that you were all after Bob? Or maybe not feeling well and wanting to get away? . |
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 20, 2008 22:22:03 GMT
I look forward to seeing some of Bob's wonderful legacy. I only met him once back in 1970 when I travelled to ATV Birmingham to get his and Anne Aston's autograph following an episode of The Golden Shot. The weather was cold and raining, and she came out of the building and totally ignored me and the other waiting fans, but Bob smiled and stopped to autograph our books. He even asked me who he should dedicate the autograph too - he was getting soaked in the rain but he didn't mind, he was just happy to sign my autograph book and didn't leave until everyone had their autograph. What a lovely man, and very much missed. Maybe Anne didnt think she was important enough to warrent an autograph and that you were all after Bob? Or maybe not feeling well and wanting to get away? . True, everyone can have an off day - even celebrities we think we own... |
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Post by Andy Howells on Dec 20, 2008 22:42:32 GMT
I'm dubious about the claim he had an army. How few people could that be? Would this be to avoid timer recording (which doesn't sound feasible until we get to quite sophisticated VCR machines), or regional variation? How much variation would there be, ITV only or for BBC as well? A lot! Even today the BBC can put out certain shows up to 60 - 90 minutes difference particularly later in the evening. Variations were even more notorious 20 /30 years ago with some ITV regions not even showing certain shows ( for instance; I grew up in Tyne Tees region and for example, we never saw Tiswas until 1980 - though I count that as a blessing!), sometimes some shows would be shown at different days of the week depending where you lived, so I guess Bob wisely knew his stuff and could give calls across the country if he wanted a copy of something, I also imagine he probably copied and exchanged with fellow collectors otherwise this might have been quite a lonely hobby! This thread has been quite a fascinating read and I hope Bob gets due credit with a documentary or a BBCFour evening / season. I never had the privilege to meet him but he was always one of my favourites as I grew up... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 13:29:10 GMT
Yes and regional variations were huge in the '60s when I was growing up! So much stuff was simply not networked.
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