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Post by Luke Phelps on Sept 23, 2008 10:26:50 GMT
Do channels like Men&Motors, UKTV Gold G2 (or whatever its called!) and the likes make any archives for future generations?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 16:19:47 GMT
I'd very much doubt it, no. UK Gold and such are repeats channels and so the archiving of the shows they screen wouldn't be their problem anyway but that of the original broadcaster (or whoever now owns the programme library that made it). Men & Motors? It's a good question, not that there might be anything worth archiving there anyway (well, the last time I watched it anyway, which was a few years ago)! I wonder what the sociologists will make of such programming in the year 3000?!?
Seriously though, I suppose it's worth archiving examples of something obscure like this yourself though as esoteric items have proven to have a historical value in the end and who are we to say what isn't worth archiving?!? Does anyone here actually have first-hand knowledge of archiving policy (or lack of) for channels like Men & Motors?
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Post by Luke Phelps on Sept 24, 2008 4:35:56 GMT
It may sound odd, but as you say, who is to know what future generations would think of some of the channels in the 900+ channel listings on Sky. As sexual barriers are broken down and attitudes towards pornography change, the likes of Babe TV, Amateur Babe Channel etc may be worth archiving....or not! I would hazard a guess that none of this is archived aside from the mandatory time for Ofcom.
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Post by Greg H on Sept 24, 2008 6:28:45 GMT
Yes, its a good point that Laurence makes. It may well be worth the price of a vhs to keep an example in your collection of what an unedited evenings viewing was like on some of the more obscure channels. You never know, you may end up with something that is of great interest in the future. For example, sometimes I enjoy watching the really old adverts inbetween shows almost as much as the shows, and I certainly wouldnt have predicted that back in the early 80s!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2008 11:42:47 GMT
I've certainly recorded a few sample evenings of output in the past when i've thought it might be something that posterity will find interesting (e.g. sample days of Thames' output before they lost their franchise, the evening of John Smith's death, when all the regular programmes were changed etc.). It's worth doing, although to DVcam or DVD (or better) would be preferable to VHS quality.
Even looking back only ten years at some of the early VH-1 output now (when they were a decent channel) you find lots of studio programmes with live group sessions and interviews with famous people (e.g. George Harrison, Patrick McNee, Peter Green etc.)! Come to think of it, does anyone know what VH-1's archive policy is? I'd hate to think that some of that material had simply been junked!
It all makes you realise what an uphill struggle we still have to make those in influential positions see that TV is living history and - very obviously, to my mind - needs preserving as a default position.
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Post by Luke Phelps on Sept 25, 2008 4:33:48 GMT
Good question regarding VH1 (which was fantastic a decade or so ago as you say). I would like to think that because VH1 is owned by MTV (I think I'm correct on that assumption), their archive would be second to none. You only have to look at the compliation of Live Aid that was done for DVD several years ago when they had to approach MTV for their archive footage. It does make you think though....could personalities have appeared on these niche channels (perhaps a char show on Granada Breeze or a first appearance on a talent show on Red channel) that one day may become the next Beatles or Rolling Stones?
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Post by Greg H on Sept 25, 2008 6:01:49 GMT
Thats a point actually. I know for a fact that mtv europe maintains an archive, so they may well have archived vh1 stuff as well.
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Post by cperry on Sept 25, 2008 6:37:52 GMT
Programmes made by Granada for Men & Motors etc are kept, though the archivists often wish they aren't because many are so poor in their production :-)
Programmes made by independents for channels like UK Gold are kept by the production companies.
Hope that helps.
c
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2008 10:42:07 GMT
That's very interestng to know, Chris. Thanks. So Men & Motors is kept!
Do you know about the early VH-1 studio material, by any chance?
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