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Post by Stephen Doran on Aug 7, 2008 16:26:14 GMT
Wondered if any survive?
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Post by Geoff Sear on Aug 7, 2008 16:46:56 GMT
According to the Kaleidoscope Children's tv guide nothing exists until the 1970 series, then it's all on 2" after that..though I don't know what condition the tapes are in, there was a disturbing report of an episode of Runaround "disintegrating" while a copy was being made recently (it 's on a thread here I think). I got a copy of a Daily Mail produced How annual not so long ago, and was surprised to see Dr.Tom Gaskell as being one of the presenters, I didn't know he was ever on it (nor Jill Graham neither, but it was before my time so no reason why I should I suppose!)
It was shown initially in an early evening, non-kids tv slot wasn't it?
Oh, and sad to read today that Jon Millar has died. I'd wondered if he was still around, and now it seems he isn't. RIP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 9:01:54 GMT
As far as I knew till now, the survival rate for "How" was very sparse, with only a handful surviving from early on and a few more towards the end of the run (late '70s onwards). All on VT from 1970 onwards would be a very optimistic prospect, given that virtually no Southern shows at all from that time are complete in this way.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Aug 8, 2008 11:02:53 GMT
Think it was shown Thursday Afternoons on London ITV.
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Post by Geoff Sear on Aug 8, 2008 11:04:12 GMT
As far as I knew till now, the survival rate for "How" was very sparse, with only a handful surviving from early on and a few more towards the end of the run (late '70s onwards). All on VT from 1970 onwards would be a very optimistic prospect, given that virtually no Southern shows at all from that time are complete in this way. I was going by what was listed in the Kal guide, but I was a bit surprised to see so many listed as exisiting. |
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Post by Simon Winters on Aug 8, 2008 12:25:55 GMT
When the 'Southern Gold' series was made by Meridian TV in the early 1990s, the researchers could not locate any b/w editions of How, so I would very much doubt if any survive - unless Jack Hargreaves kept any personal copies, which is possible. However, Jack Hargreaves appeared in studio interviews on Southern Gold and did not mention any early ones surviving.
This tv series was the most detailed history of Southern to date, and did a complete show devoted to How, but only had late seventies/ early eighties episodes featured.
Lots of How picture stills from the sixties do exist, though, and the series has a good chapter in the DREAM FACTORY book (a history of Southern TV), which can still be bought from Southern Daily Echo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2008 16:38:20 GMT
This tv series was the most detailed history of Southern to date, and did a complete show devoted to How, but only had late seventies/ early eighties episodes featured. Yes, this ties in with what I was led to believe existed of the series (and what i've seen clips of), all from the mid or late '70s onwards. I seem to recall that the BFI / NFTVA have about one (or two?) editions from around then in their holdings. These are likely the only "accessible" (if they can be called that) editions compared to any which may exist in a warehouse elsewhere with other Southern material, forgotten about. |
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Post by Geoff Sear on Aug 8, 2008 16:55:26 GMT
Yes, most of the clips I've seen (like from that 'Southern Gold' show) were late-'70s/'80s. I've seen one full show from the mid-'70s. I don't know where Kaleidoscope got their info from, of course, it would be good if they all existed from 1970 onwards...but from the sounds of it, tapes of shows like this from the Southern archive haven't always been looked after as well as one might wish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2008 9:38:49 GMT
This info might be from one of the older Kal guides, when it was hard to get to the truth of the matter. The guides have more recently been very much updated / amended though.
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Post by johnstewart on Aug 10, 2008 17:23:19 GMT
When the 'Southern Gold' series was made by Meridian TV in the early 1990s, the researchers could not locate any b/w editions of How, so I would very much doubt if any survive - unless Jack Hargreaves kept any personal copies, which is possible. However, Jack Hargreaves appeared in studio interviews on Southern Gold and did not mention any early ones surviving. This tv series was the most detailed history of Southern to date, and did a complete show devoted to How, but only had late seventies/ early eighties episodes featured. Lots of How picture stills from the sixties do exist, though, and the series has a good chapter in the DREAM FACTORY book (a history of Southern TV), which can still be bought from Southern Daily Echo. If 'Extraordinary' (1980) ITV series; was kept on tape; there should be a home movie of parts of one black and white edition of 'HOW' on this. Albeit silent; the footage showed part of the titles; then Jon Miller playing with a yoyo. It caught my eye at the time. |
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Post by Geoff Sear on Aug 10, 2008 19:09:20 GMT
This info might be from one of the older Kal guides, when it was hard to get to the truth of the matter. The guides have more recently been very much updated / amended though. Perhaps, now that Chris Perry is back on the forum (something I was very glad to see!), he might be able to say. Has the updated Children's tv guide come out yet? |
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Post by Geoff Sear on Aug 21, 2008 0:05:38 GMT
I'll just bump this thread in the hope that Chris Perry might see it:
Chris, is the info that all of HOW exists on 2" tape from 1970 onwards still correct as far as you know? (my copy of the relevant Kal guide is the one that runs up to 1998, I don't know if there has been a revision since then, though I doubt that I'd have missed it).
I know that for some shows that Kaleidoscope were unable to get clear archive status for they just omitted that aspect, so that suggests that they might well have existed in some state of repair back then, otherwise they would just have said nowt.
Would they reside in the same place as the Runaround tapes, that sound like they need some careful transferring very soon by the sound of some reports...not that anyone is going to stump up the cash to do it I would imagine. Actually, it's a bit odd that HOW should have so many shows apparently existing, but Runaround have such a meagre survival rate. Did HOW get sold elsewhere more, or get repeated more often?
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Post by cperry on Aug 21, 2008 8:46:16 GMT
The picture on How is not totally clear but there are 5 bays worth of How 2" videotapes stored by ITV, I reckon that's about 200 shows. Now they only have a few labels with VTR numbers, the majority just say How and nothing else.
Since no copyright holder wants to pay for any 2" transfers AND they wont let us pay for them or indeed buy any viewing copies due to a legal wrangle, I guess we may never know if that is all the shows, or perhaps they are all the same episode on 200 different tapes, lol.
There are 7 on digibeta but no tx dates, just VTR numbers on the clocks.
I've never counted the number of eps made so I dont know if 200 is a good survival rate or not?
Hope that helps.
Chris
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Post by Rich Cornock on Aug 21, 2008 10:36:03 GMT
crikey i just checked the survival rate of RUNAROUND, its appalling. About 2 -3 shows i think.
i watched this show as a kid and loved it. It was a great show and the first time id seen Mike Read on tv. Such a shame
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Post by cperry on Aug 21, 2008 13:37:54 GMT
Re: Runaround.
We can identify 12 that survive on digibeta ex-2" and place them with tx dates, plus a further 20 that exist on 2" but are yet to be looked at. I believe some of those may have been looked at in the past but not preserved and one has disintergrated.
c
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