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Post by JOHN SMITH on Aug 13, 2008 18:53:31 GMT
[quote author=speople Given the circumstances surrounding Lion, and its eventual return, I would STRONGLY suggest that the other 3 parts (1 of which we don't need anyway) are still in NZ. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that they are. Richard well try telling that to the film collector Ive met who claims to have had two of them for most of the 70s and then onsold them at a film collectors fair in the early 80s. hes got enough ex NZBC stuff for me to believe him....... secondly ive met the person who enabled "walkies" for various prints out of the NZBC and TVNZ , so "official" documentation about what was and wasnt destroyed is highly suspect.... VERY VERY interesting !!! So is it possible that this guy arranged for other Dr Who 'walkies' to take place. Specifically eps that are now missing from stories other than Crusade  |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 13, 2008 20:49:00 GMT
I have a strong suspicion that perhaps TVNZ had borrowed the films from the ABC for that broadcast run in 1985, to save getting films from the UK. That would certainly be the case. In 1985, when TVNZ celebrated its 25th anniversary, they played a season of old repeats of the most requested shows. And in that year they also started (almost) complete runs of The Goodies, Dr Who and Dads Army. Many of the prints of those three series were indeed sourced from the ABC, and in many cases were cut to shreds, for timing and well as censorship. Jon |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 2:23:52 GMT
Thank you Jon, that is exactly when I saw Sgt Wilson's Little Secret so that means it was indeed from the ABC film that later returned to the BBC via David Croft.
I recall the TVNZ 25th Anniversary well, I got to see loads of old stuff I'd never seen before. I believe they played the first episode of Coro Street, and certainly an episode of The Army Game (the last time if ever screened in NZ).
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 14, 2008 2:30:51 GMT
Dave, Ive made varios queries about Dad's army here before.. No one aswserd me!!.. but from what i've gleaned from what you said Mr croft saw an epp here in colour in the early 80's which would be correct. You talk about a DA screening on the ABC in 88-89.. nope sorry none at that time.. I had spent a couple of years Trying to get hold of epps (apart from the 2 bbc video releases back then) this was from 1987 till the end of 1992 start of 1993 when the ABC broadcast the lot (minus series 1/2 and the TR one) as i've said before.. (lets hope someone see's it this time) Around 1984-5 NBN TV Necastle Based Indipendant Broadcaster ("Took" shows from the 3 commercial networks and we got to see em months later) well.. NBN screened Dad's Army I have some "off-airs" but only the audio kind.. I have no idea which epps were played (I was 10 at the time) all i know is that the show was very "familuar" to me (i would have seen the early 80's late 70's ABC repeats) The idea is that a Commercial Channel got hold of DA for screenings this could have been 1983 see this uk.youtube.com/watch?v=480whbdsiBASo david croft may have been seeing a Channel 10 repeat NOT an ABC one ( though i kinda think ABC had em on early 80's like 80-82) but regardless there were NO ABC repeats of DA from 82 odd till 92. I know if they had i would have recorded them. and seeing the show was now "owned" by a commercial channel the abc wouldent have the rights to show it anyway. so so thats over with.. any idea where the channel 10 NBN ( I can furnish clips from my off airs of the NBN contiunity announcer from 1985 going on about "dad's army will return tomorow or next week. but now here's "cop shop" or Country Pratice" or Matlock" .. it's wierd hearing the stuff now) sooooo. did BBC Sydney (did they have Archives?) or the ABC provide the tapes for the other to bdcast? mabey thats were the missing ones went?. by 82 the abc would play TR's from VT. so if the missing ones were anywhere they could be on VT somewhere in another network other than the ABC |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 3:09:58 GMT
From what I understand ABC had the episodes on film, in their archive, for years. Other broadcasters loaned them I think, probably through BBC Australia. The films David found were returned from ABC as I understand it.
Also, wasn't ABC regional state to state back then, one state saw one thing on it while another state saw something else? I was told this once but don't understand enough about the way your networks work.
If you find you have off-air audio recordings of the lost Dad's Army's (or the two IAHHM episodes I recovered in cut form) I'd be keen to hear.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 14, 2008 4:39:05 GMT
Thank you Jon, that is exactly when I saw Sgt Wilson's Little Secret so that means it was indeed from the ABC film that later returned to the BBC via David Croft. I recall the TVNZ 25th Anniversary well, I got to see loads of old stuff I'd never seen before. I believe they played the first episode of Coro Street, and certainly an episode of The Army Game (the last time if ever screened in NZ). That's right - they played one episode from series like The Avengers, Dangerman, Softly Softly, Cathy Come Home, 1st ep of Coro Street, The Fugitive, Adventures of Robin Hood, Man from UNCLE, with different programmes screening each night for a whole month. And then later, they played all the eps from some of these series since they already had some of them already in the vaults or had to buy the whole lot just to screen the single anniversary episode. It was a magic time. I taped pretty much everything that was going. Still have the tapes, and they play fine. Jon |
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Post by B Thomas on Aug 14, 2008 5:27:54 GMT
That's right... I'd forgotten all about that. There was also a 21st anniversary of sorts where the first two Corrie eps were broadcast, if I remember rightly: it ended with Ena Sharples, Minnie Caldwell and the other one (whose name I can never remember) leaning over the Rover's bar to earwig on a conversation...
Was that a TVNZ 21st or a Corrie one? They both started in the same year...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 6:23:58 GMT
Not sure Bevan, I don't recall that one.
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 14, 2008 7:14:51 GMT
back in the late 70's to pretty much today. the ABC Was regional. But.. it was only the usual opt outs for news etc etc.. In Sydney they got a pop show (when i was a kid i was dyimg to see) no it's not Countdown. it went for 5-10 mins. we got NSW Regional News while Sydney got the pop show. but it never extended to full programming changes. just fillers and news etc. On ocasion us poor Newcastle Viewers got the live coverage of Cricket when Dr who was on.. but it was like once every 5 years. and only usally killed one epp for us. So no i cannot belive say Melbourne was watching Dad's army in the say 80's and we NSW were not.. that kinda stuff diddn't happen.. (It's mainly Who fans that perpertrate this myth) But again in the early 70's and up to atleast 1975-6 (Before colour) some of the states were diffrant and kept thier own prints of shows. so As i found one day while ripping up the carpet in my Granmothers house and seeing some newspapers under the carpet (buggered if i know why it was done. the whole whouse had newspaper under the carpet) I saw that in Quesnland in around 1973-5 they were STILL BDcasting Pat's stories of who. this when sysdney were getting the pertwee run.. it did happen. but by the time the full colour and microwave likns were set up. it was just the odd news thang..
Still dosent really explain why CH 10 could be showing dad's army in 83 and Newcastle in 84-5. doses anyone know who "Owned" DA downunder. cause it wasnt always the ABC. mabey just mabey some could exist..
Nope my offair tapes (i only had sevral blank cassetts and only kept 2 shows)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 8:04:09 GMT
I'd rather watch cricket than any old Doctor Whos. The new Doctor Who's are great but the old stuff was so bad.
That is something too, throughout the 1980's when live sport was meant to be on but was rained out (normally cricket or tennis) TVNZ always slotted on old British comedies to replace it, including usually Dad's Army. So they certainly had a few episodes in reserve in their local vault for these unschedlued events. I even taped one one day, it was 'Something Nasty In The Vault' but in black and white, and the idiots at TVNZ ran a subtitle saying 'this episode was not made in colour' to placate viewers, dispite the fact it was. So that had to have been a film held there or somewhere since before the days of coloured broadcast.
As for newspapers under the floor most old homes did this (and behind the wallpaper) for insulation as in the old days the timber wasn't aged and dried properly like it is nowadays and so when they built a house after a while it ususally shrank a little and allowed drafts in.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Aug 14, 2008 12:18:20 GMT
Nonsense. The timber didn't age and dry in the olden days? Humph! Newspaper was a cheap alternative to underlay, still is--I presume these sort of discoveries are still being laid down for the future? You do realize this forum is devoted to discussion of missing episodes of "so bad" Who, Dave?--perhaps you can keep that opinion to yourself?
Ade, again, if you can give us more information about these listings then we've got something to go on.
ABC unified its broadcasts from 1979.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 14, 2008 13:05:46 GMT
Nonsense. The timber didn't age and dry in the olden days? Humph! That is not what I said. I said it wasn't dried, meaning before usage in the milling process. Timber nowadays is dried in stacks at mills for up to 10 years to stabilise it from shrinkage when the building is made. In the early days this was not done, hence the reason for newspaper underlay being needed to stop drughts coming through the cracks when the floorboards shrunk. Well, that's what I learned at school anyway. I guess expressing opinions contrary to the majority are not allowed then? I'll not bother to contibute my knowledge that might possibly help others on this thread in future then. |
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Post by Martin Dunne on Aug 14, 2008 13:25:59 GMT
Whether it's allowed is between you and the moderators, but the fact there's a whole different forum called Missing Episodes (General) (TV) suggests both speculation about Dad's Army and slagging off Who in favour of cricket doesn't belong on Missing Episodes (Doctor Who). It's not an opinion but the premise of the board. And I'm being polite--cricket broadcasts were the bane of Australian Doctor Who viewers in the '70s.
I don't know what they taught you in school, but I've pulled up enough old carpets to know it either comes with underlay or newspaper. I prefer the newspapers, more readable.
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Post by aurynez on Aug 14, 2008 20:59:15 GMT
Just read through this entire topic....I'm sad to see how easily Kal El was discouraged. I actually STILL agree with his original statement that episodes may have been taken before they were destroyed. I mean I also understand some of the reasons why this may have been unlikely, but aren't all the circumstances in which any of the missing episodes were discovered unlikely? I also stated somewhere else that even looking in places that have already been checked is NOT a waste of time. Things get overlooked, things get stolen, things get copied, things get hoarded..the possibilities of what could have happenend to any of these episodes is endless. (I suppose that is why this forum just keeps going, and going and going). I liked the post that had the 4 different trains of thought for most of the people on here, ranging from optimistic to negative. All of which are justified. But I have to say, I'm going to side with the optimistic, because if everyone went with that belief, we would find more episodes. If everyone went with the negative, we'd find none. In my opinion, every idea is worth a try. Even if the result is unlikely. I forget where I read it, but at one point Richard said that somewhere a pile of prints set to be disposed of but they were PRIMARILY, (not sure if I am getting it all right or not, sorry Richard), news reels, and documentaries? Anyway, WHAT they are is unimportant. My question would be, if they were PRIMARILY news, documentaries, or whatever, then what else was there besides that? Because it seems to me that even though that search may be unlikely to yield any results, it could be that small chance that one of our episodes could turn up there. Bottom line: There always a chance, and on the subject of missing Doctor Who episodes, NO ONE knows everything about it, and NO ONE can say anything for sure. In fact, it's starting to remind me of a discussion about the assasination of Kennedy. More conspiracy theroies than anything else. Anyway, I doubt all 108 stories are still out there, but truthfully, who really knows for sure.
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 15, 2008 8:20:12 GMT
Blimey OK that's what the papers were for.. Thanks Martin I thought post 79 there was a Unified feel to the ABC.. i think there might have been some hoopla on air bout it too. That I'm commenting about Dad's army is besides the point.. the SAME fate happened to the tapes and the same "Oh look we found em" happened to BOTH series at the ABC Circa 1984.. But it looks like some rareish Dad's army's were shipped over to NZ and even to local Commercial Broadcasters in the mid 80's. This could have happened to DR who.. I'm trying to get some rescerh done on the whole DA issue as it (and i know it will) shed some new light on the fate of abc dr who VT and TR's.. right? And as far as the papers go.. they were flooded out.. i kept em for about 15 years and was going to do some private recerch on it ( about 5 years ago if you put ANY "ideas" on here 10 charlies would be ringing up,emailing, and even calling on those who needed to be treated with respect) so I told no one.. (hell i thought it was common knowledge!) but before i could do anything we had a flood and i lost the papers.. blimey it must not be that hard to get copies form somewhere... anyone in Queensland with acses to micro phish at a library!!.. geezz make you wonder.. but again if you can do it on the net it aint real research is it!!) but anyhow. does anyone see the similarities between dads army and dr at the abc?.. Hey I made the papers with a bit about missing episodes here a week ago.. pity the "copy" was edited and such.. see it here and a short Film i made from over 40 docos for a DAD"S ARMY Production.. what did i do when interviewed.. I went on about missing epps.. AND it go in the papers.. see that's how you try to find this stuff! And Dave I know you'll get a kick out of my film as did the 1000's who saw the show.. (sorry no daleks.. ill get one in next production) ade42.blogspot.com/2008/08/dads-army-film.htmlAde42.blogspot.com check the page out if you like the sound of 78's remastered (properly) (ive even got a Libary Album on there no one's heard) |
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