C & U history of B (on the list?)

[Deleted]

Yeah, give it a few years and there will be an interest in a proper release of all six complete shows and the other clips (plus audios of everything else missing). There's something existing now from virtually every show. A very handsome DVD set there eventually when the other one has faded from memory (and from the bargain shelves!)

[RWels]

It could happen, but I am not so optimistic. After all, most companies prefer to release the Hastily-cobbled-together-for-a-quick-buck type of thing.

[Peter Roberts]

Jul 6, 2008 17:52:19 GMT @laurencepiper said:

If the t/r of episode 1 is of the usual t/r standard, it must surely be the best quality material visually to stick with though (with possibly the film inserts re-inserted into this), the extra non-tx material versions being offered as extras to this.

Judging by the internet copy, it is of typical t/r quality. But despite this, I feel that it should be the extra on any DVD release (if included at all).

The problem with it is that it is missing the 2 best sketches in 1A and 1B IMHO. Probably several of the sketches that *are* in it contain cuts too.

Also, if you make it one of the main items rather than 1A and 1B, your main items just reduced in length by a third.

And the 1st episode that people see will be a one that has the best bits taken out.

[Adrian Gregg]

*snip-no trading*
Ive just "cleaned up" the Vison and sound from a series 2 Epp of At Last The 1948 Show.. 2 more to do..

[RWels]

I guess that would be s2e3?

I sent you an email, twice, some time ago, but you never replied.

[cperry]

Hi people

This thread is very interesting. At the moment our records are woefully wrong I fear about what exists from both this series and At last the 1948 show. If anyone on this thread has an accurate list of what exists, perhaps even down to a shot-for-shot sketch listing, Kal would be very grateful and happy to give you full credit when our new Comedy Guide comes out next year.

Yep folks, having revamped Drama, and with the Blue Peter book out in October, we are doing sitcoms/comedic variety next year in all its glory and fiddly holdings like Complete and Utter which seems to be lots of bits that exist, and not whole shows, is clearly something we need to get right.

c

[RWels]

Check with the BFI? If reading this thread didn't tell you anything, I can tell you that the first 2 episodes out of 6 exist as well as filmed inserts.
Also existant are episodes 1a and 1b - this is because the series was recorded to be 7 episodes, but the first 2 were cut back to 1 episode before transmission. So we have 1, 1A, 1B, 2, and filmed inserts.

[cperry]

Thanks Wels, I have asked the BFI but I await a response. Your posting is very helpful.

c

[RWels]

Surely Dick Fiddy there will be able to help you? I can send you a copy of the BFI leaflet from the recent screening of this show.

1948 show: Matthew Sharp was working on this, but I haven't heard anything from him last time I asked if there had been any progress. Almost everything exists as off air audio, and I would say at least 75% of the video is still with us, could be even more.
This site lists the survival per sketch based on Matthew Sharps research, but it hasn't been updated in ages, so I assume more has been discovered since then:
orangecow.org/pythonet/1948show/

And of course, many 1948 show sketches were performed live for Amnesty's Secret Policeman's Balls. (Top of the form, Bookshop, 4 Yorkshiremen...)

If this earns me a credit, aren't you handing out credits a bit to easy?

[RWels]

Resurrecting this thread for a moment, I wonder if anyone can enlighten me.
Someone told me the first two episodes (as broadcast) were still kept at LWT although one of them in bad shape. (No idea where the filmed inserts are.)
But the BFI make it seem like there's just the home video and the episode from internet.

Is it possible the BFI didn't do their homework? Are the two episodes still in the LWT archive or have they been wiped in the past 10 years (that would be shocking)?

[Deleted]

The film inserts reside with Terry Jones (and always have done). It's still unclear as to what exactly exists of the series proper. The first episode as transmitted exists at LWT (presumably now at Granada) as a t/r. There also seems to be another t/r of poor quality, although i'm not sure what episode this is or where it resides as i've not seen anything from it. There are also two (?) recordings from early reel to reel video (the Director's copies), dubbed from the VT masters, which are rough edits; one is part of the first episode (as transmitted) along with material that was edited out at an early stage. I presume the other recording is of a similar nature (possibly parts of both were composited to form one as-transmitted episode). Optical conversions of these were made by the BFI and parts were shown at a previous MBW event (I daresay that a better transfer could be made electronically although - knowing the BFI - I wonder if they'll bother?) Can anyone with definite inside info clarify further?

[RWels]

Thanks! I got as far as that the 2 reel to reel episodes are directors cuts, that were edited into episode 1 as it was broadcast. (So 6 half hour episodes instead of 7.) Let's call them 1a and 1b.
(Optical conversion? Do we know what type of home video they were on?)

I was told that at the LWT or wherever their legacy is kept, there is episode 1 as aired, in bad shape, and episode 2.
(So of the 7 recorded episodes remain 3 (1a, 1b, 1, and 2) and filmed inserts. No trace of 3-6. By the way, everything is online except for 1a and 1b.)

But the BFI flyer suggests that the BFI are completely unaware of this? "Long thought lost, it was posted online" - the latter is true as most of this material can now be found online, but the former is nonsense.
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Strange that the BFI overlooked this. With the episodes on internet. It would be shocking if they had been wiped in the recent past.

Is there a member here who can verify if the two episodes are still somewhere in an archive (LWT/Granada)?