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Post by Greg H on Sept 12, 2008 7:16:46 GMT
Indeed Richard, thanks very much for the update on what was found there! I was deeply curious to say the least  You could always get in touch with Dick Fiddy about preserving them perhaps? Anyway, really good work in preserving television history. Thankyou |
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Post by Joe Haynes on Sept 13, 2008 10:57:39 GMT
Thanks alot for the reply richard. When your finished with your research into the Cans could it be possible to have a list of all the material ?
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Post by Greg H on Sept 13, 2008 12:40:39 GMT
That would be nice. Id also be interested to know if the cans can be traced back to how they got there.
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Post by cperry on Sept 13, 2008 13:58:00 GMT
Hi Richard
Many many thanks for this very interesting thread and your comments on what you have found.
Your remarks about being unable to commercially exploit this find does not surprise me. Generally, there is no commercial value in things like Admags though the NFTVA are always willing to store and show them, I have found, and indeed we would happily transfer the film for you to digibeta should you need that help.
I am also not surprised that your Beatles footage has proven hard to place. When we did Raiders of the Lost Archives for ITV we found 3 different old bits of TV footage of The Beatles, but the private licensees wanted between £5000-50,000 for its use so we had to decline it. We were probably the only people interested in licensing old bw material, but then we were put off by the cost.
I imagine that STV have no paperwork on this show and would have to pay The Beatles for its use, so would be worried about that, knowing their very very good lawyers. :-)
I guess it all depends what amount of money you wanted for the license and I presume you were granting access rights only? Which means that the person licensing it would still have to pay The Beatles their cut? Therein lies the problem.
The other issue, and it's an interesting cultural issue, is whether broadcasters are put off by the bw or put off by The Beatles (who are perceived as not as big now as say Britney is lol despite their huge record sales) or a combination of both. If it was colour Beatles would it be more sellable? Who knows...
Anyway, I wish you luck in finding a home to reshow this material. I'm sure Dick at the BFI will ask you for their Missing Believed Wiped event (and that might spark interest?) and we would happily show it for you at Kal as part of our music event next year coz our licences might be kinder on the rights front since we charge no admission.
A great find in all, thanks for telling us about it Richard.
cheers
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 17:32:53 GMT
Indeed. I just hope that the material (the admags, Beatles stuff etc.) ends up in a safe place archivally for posterity! That is my biggest fear with material that official bodies show little interest in taking back into their archives!
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Sept 14, 2008 19:32:45 GMT
Slightly off topic but would television companies actually turn down old missing black and white programmes due to the cost of restoration?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 8:41:33 GMT
You mean would they turn down recovering copies if they were offered to them? I would say yes, if the shows in question were not considered particularly important stuff that they didn't see any value in taking back (I could see ITV particularly adopting this tack). It wouldn't even get as far down the line as restoration anyway as that would only take place if something was scheduled for re-use in some way. Officially, the line would probably be that they would want anything back that was offered but...
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Post by cperry on Sept 15, 2008 14:49:44 GMT
Laurence,
I don't know any archive that would turn down material if the person offering it made the offer for free without conditions.
I know that ITV Leeds even took a 1" NTSC Southern TV show last year that was missing, and its not even their copyright.
The only problems arise when people want money or ask for material in exchange. Then an archive will often say no so as to not set a precedent.
Chris :-)
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Sept 15, 2008 17:15:57 GMT
Thanks for answering my question. I was getting the feeling reading some recent posts that television companies perhaps thought there was no market or for black and white programmes because there was little chance they would be broadcast again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 17:38:45 GMT
Laurence, I don't know any archive that would turn down material if the person offering it made the offer for free without conditions. I know that ITV Leeds even took a 1" NTSC Southern TV show last year that was missing, and its not even their copyright. The only problems arise when people want money or ask for material in exchange. Then an archive will often say no so as to not set a precedent. Chris :-) You probably know more about what happens with missing material that's offered back than I do, Chris, spending so much time over the years co-ordnating it for Kal and the broadcasters. It was really my guess based on the fact that the BFI seem to clearly cherry pick what's offered them; I assumed the TV companies do the same. Happily it seems i'm wrong though! |
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