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Post by Greg H on Dec 20, 2007 22:46:08 GMT
Im inclined to agree with some of what youve said. But the BBC funding a search.... it would take a miracle!!!! They only seem to care when it comes out on DVD and they make money off it. The beeb sadly dont seem to be all that interested in recovering archive material, just a few people who work there. Thats just how it seems to me. Africa? Well, from the original report I read it did sound like a likely bet, or at least the best bet in a few years for finding some mouldering and decaying prints. I dunno how thoroughly things were checked if at all. Ah well. If the BBC were a capitalist entreprise, as opposed to a socalist one, it might be more willing to fund searches for missing material. eh? Since when where they a 'socialist organisation? Can you present something to back that claim up? If you can please post it here as i would be very interested.
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Post by Greg H on Dec 20, 2007 22:47:27 GMT
I agree. I would still contribute cash to an african archives charity. It remains a worthwhile cause. Really? I'd sooner give money to help them get clean water/vaccines/grow food etc, etc.. Or am I being selfish? You can do what you like with your money mate, with my blessings if you want them.
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Post by Doug Wulf on Dec 21, 2007 2:27:43 GMT
I agree. I would still contribute cash to an african archives charity. It remains a worthwhile cause. Really? I'd sooner give money to help them get clean water/vaccines/grow food etc, etc.. Or am I being selfish? The United Nations has given monetary support to FIAT to help organize the archives in Africa, which is seen as an effort to preserve cultural heritage. There are all forms of charity and giving money to preserve audiovisual materials does not preclude other charitable efforts to clean up water and grow food or, for that matter, find cures for cancer. Do you actually donate money to charities that help people get clean water, health care, and food in Africa? As the saying goes, put your money where your mouth is.
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Post by Greg H on Dec 21, 2007 2:38:16 GMT
Really? I'd sooner give money to help them get clean water/vaccines/grow food etc, etc.. Or am I being selfish? The United Nations has given monetary support to FIAT to help organize the archives in Africa, which is seen as an effort to preserve cultural heritage. There are all forms of charity and giving money to preserve audiovisual materials does not preclude other charitable efforts to clean up water and grow food or, for that matter, find cures for cancer. Do you actually donate money to charities that help people get clean water, health care, and food in Africa? As the saying goes, put your money where your mouth is. Well said Doug Wulf!
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Dec 22, 2007 10:30:02 GMT
I know I'm living in fantasy land but the BBC should wake up to the fact that they are a public service broadcaster not a commercial business and put things like this which has a huge public interest ahead of profit. To be brutally honest, I don't think the wider public gives a stuff about missing episodes of 'Doctor Who', or any other TV series for that matter. Most people probably don't even know about the depleted state of the BBC archives.
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Post by wrightblan on Dec 23, 2007 17:05:45 GMT
If the BBC were a capitalist entreprise, as opposed to a socalist one, it might be more willing to fund searches for missing material. eh? Since when where they a 'socialist organisation? Can you present something to back that claim up? If you can please post it here as i would be very interested. It's a quasi-govermental, non-profit organization. In America, that just about equals socalist.
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Post by Greg H on Dec 25, 2007 6:47:40 GMT
Ok, I guess its a matter of your personal perception and you're not trolling then. But the beeb definitely arent socialist (imo). im not political. Have a good one.
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Post by Paul Ryan on Feb 15, 2008 0:06:11 GMT
So, getting back on topic... Has there been any further progress on this matter Paul? Also, are you guys planning to investigate any other archives?
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 15, 2008 18:24:01 GMT
So, getting back on topic... Has there been any further progress on this matter Paul? Also, are you guys planning to investigate any other archives? I asked something similar and others said this was a dead end.
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Post by Greg H on Feb 17, 2008 0:39:08 GMT
Yes, I heard that to. It would still be interesting to hear all of the details of how this was checked out and exactly why it is a chronic non starter. My curiosity wasnt really satisfied. Not that anyone is going to lose any sleep over that, lol
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Post by Doug Wulf on Feb 17, 2008 20:31:40 GMT
So, getting back on topic... Has there been any further progress on this matter Paul? Also, are you guys planning to investigate any other archives? I asked something similar and others said this was a dead end. I don't know how a whole continent can be a *complete* dead end. Even if no episodes have yet been found just sitting on the shelf at ZNBC in Zambia, that doesn't mean that there is nothing to be located anywhere in Africa if more searching might be done. The prints were sent to countries in Africa once, so it is not impossible that some of this footage may still exist there somewhere.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 18, 2008 2:56:23 GMT
I asked something similar and others said this was a dead end. I don't know how a whole continent can be a *complete* dead end. Even if no episodes have yet been found just sitting on the shelf at ZNBC in Zambia, that doesn't mean that there is nothing to be located anywhere in Africa if more searching might be done. The prints were sent to countries in Africa once, so it is not impossible that some of this footage may still exist there somewhere. I think it went something like this... BBC - "Do you have any lost Doctor Who episodes?" Zambia - "No." BBC - "Search completed. There is nothing in Africa." I agree with what you are saying. Sadly, I do not see anybody going to the lengths of searching any archives for 16mm Doctor Who film prints. What people need to do is try and locate film collectors in those countries that bought Doctor Who in the past. Hopefully, if any episodes managed to get out of those vaults, the episodes would be in the hands of collectors now if they still exist. This sounds like the only option at our disposal right now.
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Post by Doug Wulf on Feb 18, 2008 5:27:21 GMT
I don't know how a whole continent can be a *complete* dead end. Even if no episodes have yet been found just sitting on the shelf at ZNBC in Zambia, that doesn't mean that there is nothing to be located anywhere in Africa if more searching might be done. The prints were sent to countries in Africa once, so it is not impossible that some of this footage may still exist there somewhere. I think it went something like this... BBC - "Do you have any lost Doctor Who episodes?" Zambia - "No." BBC - "Search completed. There is nothing in Africa." I agree with what you are saying. Sadly, I do not see anybody going to the lengths of searching any archives for 16mm Doctor Who film prints. What people need to do is try and locate film collectors in those countries that bought Doctor Who in the past. Hopefully, if any episodes managed to get out of those vaults, the episodes would be in the hands of collectors now if they still exist. This sounds like the only option at our disposal right now. Well, I got the impression from Sue Malden that inquiries at ZNBC were more in depth than that. This said, maybe nothing of value to the BBC archives has actually been retained at ZNBC. Still, there certainly must be additional avenues to pursue in all of Africa. I would be curious to know if there exists any paperwork on file anywhere that might shed some light on what happened to 1960s episodes sent to various African nations.
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Feb 18, 2008 17:47:37 GMT
At the risk of dwelling on ancient history, Nigeria yielded two complete stories back in the 1980s, which is a better strike rate than most overseas buyers. ZNBC has been declared a dead end and all the speculation in the world won't change that. I've no idea if the BBC has contacted other African TV companies recently, but a reel-by-reel search of every film and TV archive on the continent isn't going to happen.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Feb 18, 2008 17:51:51 GMT
It would seem that there isn't really much more we can do regarding Zambia. At least, thanks to you Doug, it has been brought to peoples attention. I am pleased that we got that piece in The Lowdown (both online and hardcopy) . www.lowdown.co.zm/2007/2007-05/drwho.htmI imagine this story has never been covered by any publications in Zambia before. That magazine has a high readership both in Zambia and many other parts of Africa. Even if I say so myself, I am very pleased with the article. Very useful that every missing episode title is listed. There is every possibilty that Dr Who reels found their way out of tv studios in Africa and into the hands of private collectors or ex-employees. It could be the sort of thing that takes a number of years to strike gold. Better than nothing however. I remain with my fingers crossed very tightly. I am still 100% positive that something else will surface somewhere within the next few years.
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