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Post by Greg H on Aug 14, 2006 10:28:18 GMT
Now those of you who dont like talk of 60s home video recordings had better just click the back button now............. I was wondering if anyone here had considered the use of ceremonial magick as a tool to recovering missing footage. for example there are several spirits in the goetia heru-ra-ha.tripod.com/topics/goetia.htmlwho specialise in finding lost things and revealing buried treasure etc. If you know what im talking about already you will know how this works. Now I am not going to enter into debate about different peoples beliefs here, but do we have an ceremonial magicians on this board and what are youre thoughts on goetic evocation for this sort of end??? More info and debate about this stuff here. www.occultforums.com/
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Post by B Thomas on Aug 14, 2006 12:09:42 GMT
IMHO only an idiot would seriously consider tapping into this sort of thing in the manner you suggest. Further to the paragraph stating psychological interests; most psychologists know enough about the workings of the human brain to know that most religious-based experiences are physiological and usually take place due to electro-chemical occurrences within the left temporal lobe. In relation to psychology vs. “spirit world” it is only the notion that spirits could be identified as aspects of the human psyche that they discuss in theoretical terms only. As far as I am aware no such hypothesis has been proved within scientific circles. This article elucidates: “…many ceremonial magicians with a background in psychology have postulated that the demons of the Goetia are the base and negative traits of the human psyche.” (Claiborne, David. 2000. Goetia. heru-ra-ha.tripod.com/topics/goetia.html. Retrieved 14 August 2006) The keynotes of this quotation to consider here are: “… background in psychology…” (How much background? A degree or having read about it in a book once?) and; “…have postulated…” (Postulated. Nothing further nor explored, proved or otherwise.). To be given any scientific credence any statement like this requires qualification. If any here wish to dabble in such matters they can either expect disappointment or exacerbation of possible predilection to mental illness. It is not a pastime I would recommend to others. Beware of things you read on the internet. Unless it is in a scientific paper or journal no such assertion can be authenticated…
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Aug 14, 2006 13:38:31 GMT
And just how does this relate to the ongoing proper search for missing episodes at all?
I don't often post here and am now getting less inclined to even read new posts as they are getting just plain daft.
I'm not knocking anyone's beliefs, I just think that the kind of posts we're getting at the moment devalues the proper search and firmly maintains the 'Barking Mad' Dr Who fans.
Would a TV exec from another country really take the search seriously if he were to read the current crop of posts?!
Alan
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Post by Greg H on Aug 14, 2006 14:58:59 GMT
Bevan, you have been in a rather eggy mood lately, re your comments directed at Lance. I dont think you really speak from any perspective of knowledge on subjects such as the goetia and evocation, this is broadly proven by your response and its lack of savvy. As for 'ceremonial magicians with a background in psychology', well im not certain but they could have been talking about dr Israel Regardie, a highly respected psychotherapist, and highly qualified and also a lifelong ceremonial magician and head of the golden dawn. Have a google for him if you like, there will be plenty out there. And Bevan, the goetia and magick does not need scientific credence as you quaintly put it, these operate in entirely different areas. To assume that science is all knowing is patently absurd, if this was the case I would be sitting in zero gravity right now smoking 20 ciggarettes as there would be a cure for cancer. Yes? The link to the article on the goetia was just one of the first that came up in a google search, the book is widely available as a pdf as are most of the mediaeval grimoires, if they are works of such fiction and experimentation in this direction will only lead to dissapointment, you have to ask why people still use them........ after all they promise quite tangible results rather than some abstract thing after youre dead that you cant tell anyone about. If nothing tangible ever happened then surely word would have got around by now There are a few forums on the goetia, go ask the experts what they think of your 'assessment'. Anyway it was just a thought
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Post by B Thomas on Aug 15, 2006 3:32:37 GMT
gh - when one posts on forums like this there is an implied acceptance that such posts are going to elicit comments/opinions from others.
Your assertion of my reaction to certain postings of late is quite correct (although my "mood" is another matter entirely). When I first started lurking here some years ago this was a place of, what I took to be, intelligent discourse on the archival status of certain television products. Nowadays I find the postings becoming more and more absurd with less and less thought going into them before the sender clicks the "Post Reply" button.
Please don't take anything I might relpy to as a personal attack. I know few people here in the real sense and most do not qualify to provoke such an emotional response from me. What I do respond to is the posting itself. I do this by attempting to present a counter argument to further the debate - that is intelligent discourse.
You are quite right - I don't speak from any working understanding of Goetia and never claimed to. What I do have experience with is time spent within Spiritualist Circles many years ago and my understanding of Psychology and Sociology since studying those subjects as part of my degree some time ago. This gave me a respect for scientific processes and presentation of sound arguments.
Further, I have spent some time within the mental health sector and have seen results of such experiementation. I do not suggest that you, yourself have such tendencies for mental illness but some do and I caution against putting "carrots on sticks".
You refer to my reply to LanceM the other day. I outlined my reasons in that thread: he has been asked (politely) many times before to think through various suggestions he has made in the past. Such requests have been (seemingly) ignored so I thought I would attract his attention to the general reaction to his postings in a more noticeable way.
Anyway - the upshot of all this (to everyone) is: don't get too emotionally invested in reactions to suggestions. Reactions are what we attract by posting here in the first place.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 15, 2006 10:31:51 GMT
Fair enough! And in furtherence to your comments I certainly wouldnt recomend meddling with the Goetia to anyone who doesnt know what theyre doing. Anyhow, if there any ceremonial magicians around here interested in discussing this please feel free to pm me Have a pleasant day.
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Post by B Thomas on Aug 15, 2006 11:30:13 GMT
Thanks - you have a great day too. I'm glad we could end this on a positive note.
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